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Is Favors in the long-term plans at this point?

Catchall said:
Do keep in mind, it's not up to the Jazz whether Favors stays.
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Hey Favs... will you stay here... where you may not always finish games... aren’t used in a way that maximizes what you can bring and are viewed as more of a super sub/backup plan? Also, we’d like to get you on a team favorable deal if possible.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Hey Favs... will you stay here... where you may not always finish games... aren’t used in a way that maximizes what you can bring and are viewed as more of a super sub/backup plan? Also, we’d like to get you on a team favorable deal if possible.
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Sad but true ,we want Favors prime years at a team discount and as a insurance backup for Gobert.
 
I broke this down already, but something like 22 of the 30 worst NBA contracts belong to guys who play PF or C. Most of the time, the team who signed the contract felt like they really needed that size. Well, Favors is due one of those regretable contracts.

If you consider his time in the league and injury history, he simply has to make the most of this contract this summer. In all reality, the team who signs him will regret the contract by the time he enters the last year.

I don't want that team to be us.

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Ron Mexico said:
I disagree, I think good players make themselves fit and over time work things out.

Favors was not our draft pick we traded for him. Regardless we would trade him for a pick and hope he turns out as good as Favors in 5-6 years that does not fit our timeline. Yes picks can turn out but they can also just as likely or more likely turn into Burke, Lyles or Kanter.

Besides Favors not being drafted by us those 3 other players listed were not lottery picks. Our team seems better at drafting end or mid draft anyways. We have the talent to compete now. We have some star power and potential star power. No reason to dump that talent and start over.

Mitchell is the very very very rare rookie that helps win early in his career. Most players take years to develop such as Hayward, Favors and so on.

We can create room if we dump a bunch of our players but I dont see anyone that we can reasonably sign that will be better than the talent we would dump. It would take a lot more than just dumping Ricky to create room. We would have to not re-sign Favors and let players like Hood, Exum, Sefolosha, Jerebko and Udoh go to get reasonably under the cap enough to sign a free agent out right.
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Haywad helped us win his rookie year. He was already good on both ends and had 34 and 32 pt. games. Favors and Hood are just as risky as high picks, with their propensity for injury, but with picks you free up money also.
 
I just don't think we're likely to get more value for Favors than his very own expiring contract + the talent he adds to our roster for this year. I'm not interested in a couple of weak 2nd-round picks -- I'd rather he help push us back into the playoffs as a 4th-6th seed + help us pull a first-round upset.

But if a first-round pick came calling without any salary burden beyond this season.... I'd pull the trigger.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I agree... there are very few gettable FAs that I like. I do think Ricky is still a difficult fit and his time needs to be marginalized. Neto has looked fantastic too (he looks a lot faster this year) and his shot is consistent. He's not the defender Ricky is at all, but he isn't miserable on that end.

Opening up space isn't a priority then, but I might try and see if we could move Ricky for a better fitting part and maybe a pick (or pick swap) or something of that ilk... just so we don't have someone we have to manage and keep happy even though the team might be better served playing other guys.
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Totally agree to that extent. But if he's managed correctly, I think he could be fine placeholder cap and change-of-pace ballhandler. He really needs to come off the bench right now, regardless. The ball is Mitchell's.
 
If you think you can get Parker in free agency AND you think it's worth a max offer, jettisoning Ricky and not re-signing Favors is the path.

I am not quite sold on that plan. But that's the easiest way to get there. Three birds (what should be done with Rubio? What should be done with Favors? Who is our 4 moving forward?), one stone.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Ignore the cap space aspect... btw moving Ricky and not re-signing Favs allows us to get to max cap space easily by managing Exum's cap hold. I honestly don't think there is anyone worth creating space for... so just ignore that.

I do think we should look to acquire more picks... I was happy you mentioned our success on mid level picks... we don't need to acquire lotto picks, but give ourselves more chances to acquire great talent.

Fit 100% matters... Favs and Gobert don't work long term... The run we are on should show that we can use less talented players that space the floor and get a huge improvement.

Managing the Favs, Gobert, Ricky balance is going to be tough... I doubt we bring all three back next year. Time will tell, but I'd be willing to bet Favs isn't willing to come back next year unless he is starting and playing starter minutes. Those three overlapped like 6 total minutes last night and it was clear Quin wanted it out ASAP.
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Yep, I think Ricky is the odd one out not Favors. Or at least shouldn't play with those guys. I think Favor's and Gobert can play together just fine and/or play slightly off set depending on matchups like last night where I think we did okay in that game.

We still need picks but they are not a reason to dump good players that are helping us win for. Now if the front office knows something about Favors not coming back, sure trade him at the deadline. Although I would rather us trade him for a player not future picks.
 
NAOS said:
I just don't think we're likely to get more value for Favors than his very own expiring contract + the talent he adds to our roster for this year. I'm not interested in a couple of weak 2nd-round picks -- I'd rather he help push us back into the playoffs as a 4th-6th seed + help us pull a first-round upset.

But if a first-round pick came calling without any salary burden beyond this season.... I'd pull the trigger.
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I know this view is unpopular, but I don't think we should be trading a player who's been with us for 7 years for a mere second round pick, unless he wants out. It's just really disrespectful.
 
str8line said:
Haywad helped us win his rookie year. He was already good on both ends and had 34 and 32 pt. games. Favors and Hood are just as risky as high picks, with their propensity for injury, but with picks you free up money also.
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Hayward did not help us win his rookie year. Maybe in a couple games but across the season he hurt us more than he helped. 90% or more of rookies are a liability on the court across the season.

I disagree on that Favors and Hood are higher risks. Most players drafted don't turn out as well as them and even if they do it's after a few years.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Yep, I think Ricky is the odd one out not Favors. Or at least shouldn't play with those guys. I think Favor's and Gobert can play together just fine and/or play slightly off set depending on matchups like last night where I think we did okay in that game.

We still need picks but they are not a reason to dump good players that are helping us win for. Now if the front office knows something about Favors not coming back, sure trade him at the deadline. Although I would rather us trade him for a player not future picks.
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It isn’t a secret that he is 95% likely to leave...

Agree with NAOS doe... if it was just a second you keep Favs.

I think what could happen is that we move him and take some salary to get a first or prospect.

I don’t think there is anyone that is worth going after in free agency.

We might still look to move Ricky doe... it is partly about playing time for AB, Hood, Royce, and Neto.

Here is my latest crappy trade idea... Ricky and Favs to Phoenix for Dudley and Monroe plus the Milwaukee first they got in the Bledsoe deal.

Dudley and Monroe would both be good options to fill in if we have injuries. Dudley is owed 9.5 next year so we clear a little cap space for next year.
 
I just doubt the Jazz are looking to pull the plug on Rubio. I think they really want to get full off-season with him.
 
If Thad Young was a couple years younger and on a good contract, I'd totally consider sending Favors for Indiana for Thad plus filler. I think he would fit well with Myles Turner (man, imagine if Indiana picked Lyles and we picked Turner which we were rumoured to do....*sigh*) and I think his three-point shooting and perimeter ability would suit the roster decently.

Historically he's been a good defender, but truthfully I haven't seen him play much this season. He's scored well though, and passed well, and continues to collect steals at a high clip for a forward.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I just doubt the Jazz are looking to pull the plug on Rubio. I think they really want to get full off-season with him.
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I bet they keep him till the end of the season. But I doubt he'll ever be a good fit, and he'll probably be offloaded in the off-season if Exum is retained.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Tell me some examples of player who are really good that have not fit together? What makes those players not fit together?
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There are many... frequently the sum of the parts don’t add up.

Lack of shooting, an obvious defensive weak link, or too many guys that need th ball are the culprits.

Minny, OKC

Honestly the Heat teams were way more talented than their performance... things didn’t fit perfectly but those were super duper stars and they were elite defensively.

Lack of shooting/space murders offenses.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I just doubt the Jazz are looking to pull the plug on Rubio. I think they really want to get full off-season with him.
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Probably true. I just think DM might be better served as more of a Pg and would open up some more time to feed to our army of wing players.
 
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