What do you mean? We got half of The Million Dollar Man:
Half of him not good enough for you?
He's a hall of famer. We're doing pretty good then...
Jazz select Grayson Allen at 21
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He's a hall of famer. We're doing pretty good then...
I get it. Just keep in mind that our starting center and DPOY was picked at #27, and last year we moved up from #24 to get our franchise player. Maybe my expectations were a bit jacked up. If the Jazz wanted to be more aggressive in the draft, they probably could have been. Don't be surprised if players like Hutchison, Simons, Okobo and Musa become quality starters in a couple years.
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Silky other worldly game. (high IQ) What I’m trying to say is Allen has been coached up for four years by one of the best to ever coach, he’s going to a coach who also learned under the same coach and is very good in his own right. If you don’t think Allen has a natural feel for the game, you haven’t seen him play, and his feel for the game is only going to increase, just like Ingles has increased his since he got here. They have a lot of the same skills too. Ingles is a lot taller, but Allen is way more athletic.
While on the subject of height... since when does a guy have to be tall to shoot and make open threes, and driving when it’s open for a layup or kick out. I’m not seeing the problem? Ingles is a very good passer, so is Allen, both can shoot both can run the offense, I guess we’d have to see it at the nba level for Allen, but he played tons of pg at Duke, so the potential is there. Not saying Allen will reach Ingles level but it’s not some far fetched statement to say he can’t get there, but damn, you can at least admit that much without admitting you were wrong. If Allen gets there it’s not because of his physical attributes, but his highly intelligent basketball mind. Then factor in the desire he plays with and desire to win, that can only help.
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Grayson confirmed next GOAT
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Last year there happened to be a guy with other worldly physical skills and they equally loved who he was as a person and leader. It’s easy to see that they fell head over heel in love with him to the point DL threatened death to anyone that said anything about the workout, plus what assets do they have to entice a teamwant to move that far back, and they aren’t getting rid of an asset for someone that they aren’t sure about, then you have to get lucky with Denver falls in love with a young guy like Lyles and rumor is Grayson dominated the workout. I’m not sure there was a guy that wowed the jazz like DM did
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Didn’t Stockton have really big hands that allowed him to make passes without picking up his dribble and helped him finish inside on drives?Grayson confirmed next GOAT
Didn’t Stockton have really big hands that allowed him to make passes without picking up his dribble and helped him finish inside on drives?
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Yes. Jerry Sloan was infatuated with John's big hands.
There are a lot of people that can have a high (basketball) IQ and not have a good feel for the game. Most head coaches in the league (ones that played in NBA or not, most weren't stars, and even stars can lack a feel for the game), for example.
Are you real about the 'what difference does size make' thing? It affects every aspect of play, but would argue it's mostly the innate ability to defend. Ingles is 4 inches taller, has a wingspan that's 3 inches wider, and a standing reach that's 8 inches taller.
They really aren't that similar. They are, however, both white, work hard, and can shoot.
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Watching Allen play, he has that. Very good passer can run an offense, can also play off the ball
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Through out his Duke career, he was always the one with ball in hand in the clutch, he was the guy coach K trusted with the game on the line
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Alright.
Yep.
I'm not sure you're understanding the difference between "feel", "IQ", and just being good. Allen is a spazz that knows what to do, while Ingles lobs all night, executes all kinds of passes with surgical precision, hits threes on high volume and percentages, takes what the defense gives, erases other team's players routinely, and makes it look like he's not even trying.
But, whatever. I don't actually care or even know why I'm in the weeds on this topic with you.
Someone ban me.
Sick. Good find, thanks.
I love the passion and fight. Not the way he displayed it all the time.
Thankfully this is Utah and not Sactown. We have a strong FO, coaching staff, locker room and fan base. If there was ever a team to direct and control said passion and fight it’s a team like the Jazz.
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I’ve seen him do all these things, he was also the leader of the team the soul of his Duke teams, teammates loved and respected him to the highest degree, even with his reputation on the court, he has IT!! He has the same charisma that Joe has in the locker room, all he did was make plays at Duke. I didn’t watch many games outside of the Utes, but I did catch a few one or two Duke games over the last few years, so I’ve seen my share of Grayson Allen games, I just feel he has the ability to play beyond the sum of his parts. Just so you know, I’m not saying he’ll be Ingles, but he has that potential, and he has what it takes up stairs. It’s just a matter of will he be able to process the nba game over the next few years. Because of his athleticism and shot, he has a place in the league, but will he be more? He has the tools, all I’m saying.
He wants to win. If coach Snyder says do this instead of that, Grayson would respond. Come on, he was younger and he doesn't have issues of the court. He will be fine.
Of that I have no doubt. And part of that will the culture of strength, support and belief in him. Jazz are exactly what he needs.
This is gonna be good.
