LoPo
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Ironically, my sister in law is a former Olympic Synchro Swimmer. The US routine this year is ridiculous.
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Impossible to know. Durant could have gone to a different super team and beat the warriors
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Wouldn't have happened. And still they wouldn't have had the continuity to take out the warriors at their peak. It's pretty clear.
In the here and now, sure that roster looks unrealistic. But if Utah was willing to move Rudy and any combo of Clarkson, Bogey and picks in a multiplayer deal that nets us Dame, do you really think Utah would have trouble convincing guys like PJ Tucker to sign a 1 year deal for the chance to come chase a ring with Dame and Don?
LoPo
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We need to go all out for John Collins. DWade, Don and Ryan should be at his door the minute free agency starts.
On the court, Collins fits with Conley and Rudy. He gives us much needed youth and athleticism. If he wants to sign with us at a very near max number that Atlanta won't match, then we figure out a sign and trade. We would have Bojan, Favors and Clarkson to use as trade chips. Might take a 3 team deal.
I love the short term nucleus of
Don
Rudy
Collins
Conley
Joe
Royce
and the long term core of
Don and Collins
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On the court, Collins fits with Conley and Rudy. He gives us much needed youth and athleticism. If he wants to sign with us at a very near max number that Atlanta won't match, then we figure out a sign and trade. We would have Bojan, Favors and Clarkson to use as trade chips. Might take a 3 team deal.
I love the short term nucleus of
Don
Rudy
Collins
Conley
Joe
Royce
and the long term core of
Don and Collins
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That1UtahFan
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Just doing some lite researching and John Collins was born in Layton??? Naaaaah you have to bring him home now
No its not lmao. The Warriors just lost to the Cavs. What do you mean they wouldnt have been able to be taken out? The only year the Warriors faced a Durant team in the playoffs it took them 7 games to beat them, and that was with an epic choke performance in Game 6 from the Thunder.
Not to mention the only ring they won without Durant, they got super lucky and faced a Cavs team without Love or Irving. Stop with the revisionist history. The starting lineup for the Cavs was Lebron James, Timofey Mozgov, Tristant THompson, Iman Shumpert, and Matty Dellavadova. It took them 6 games to beat that team lmao.
The Warriors without werent some unbeatable super team. They were an amazing team, sure, but they werent a guarantee to repeat or threepeat championships.
LoPo
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I just did the math, and it would be very hard to keep Conley AND get Collins. But let's try it:
Maybe...
Charlotte gets Favors and Clarkson
Atlanta gets Bogey, Hughes and draft considerations from Charlotte
Utah gets Collins and draft considerations from Charlotte
Re-sign Conley for $14 million or less
Bogey and Favors combine to make about as much as the first year on Collins' near max deal, so although we do get "hard capped" by getting a sign and trade player, we could still stay under the hard cap ($140.6 million).
Rudy $35.3
Don $28.1
Collins ~$28
Conley $14
Joe $13.1
Royce $8.8
Udoka $2.1
Oni $1.8
#30 $1.6
NINE PLAYER TOTAL - $132.7
Taxpayer MLE - $5.89
Biannual Exception (BAE) - $3.73
Minimum Contract with NBA Experience Player ~$2 million
Minimum Contract 0 Years of NBA Experience Player ~$1 million
To add a full Taxpayer MLE player, damn near impossible.
We could add a BAE player and a few 0 NBA Experience NBA minimum guys and be under the apron.
Or we could just add a few Minimum Contract players making around $2 million each.
We seem thinner with this trade, but I do like having another "future star" quality player on the roster. Charlotte would have to really like Clarkson and Favors too. Seems unlikely financially unless Conley just bolts.
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Military family. Doubt he lived there long enough to even remember it.
I love the idea of Collins. It really would depend on how much he makes per year if we wanted to keep Conley too.
Say we traded Bogdanovic/Clarkson/1st for him and he makes 25M per year. We would have to move Favors for cap space. Then Conley would have to sign for no more than 15.8M a year. The less Collins signs for the more Conley would be able to get etc.
Getting a player in a sign and trade means we are hard capped at the apron (140.6M) for the year.
Just something to think about.
LoPo
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Very true. I did a full breakdown above. If we could get Collins for around $25 and Conley for around $15, we could make it all happen. Collins would have to really want us though. I think somebody out there (Charlotte, SA, New York) would be willing to give him the full max.
We need Dwade and Don to work some magic.
Collins isnt optimizing Mitchell/Gobert. The Jazz need a 3/4, not a strict 4.
LoPo
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I don't think Collins is a perfect fit, but addresses 3 need areas:
- rebounding
- solid perimeter defending for a big man
- stretch 5: I believe this is a role he could play when teams go really small. Royce slides to 4 and Joe can play 3.
I think Collins can evolve into a star capable of bulk scoring inside or out. He has fit well already next to Capella, and Rudy is much better than Capella.
- rebounding
- solid perimeter defending for a big man
- stretch 5: I believe this is a role he could play when teams go really small. Royce slides to 4 and Joe can play 3.
I think Collins can evolve into a star capable of bulk scoring inside or out. He has fit well already next to Capella, and Rudy is much better than Capella.
Miggs
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We were #2 in the NBA in rebounding rate last year. It’s not some big concern.
LoPo
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Rebounding is a plus, but not the main reason why we get a guy like Collins. We get Collins primarily because he's good 2 way player.
I think rebounding was an issue in the playoffs. Rebounding was definitely an issue at PF because Bojan even talked about it in his postseason interview. I don't have the time right now to research how many offensive rebounds we gave up to the Clippers, but I believe it was a lot.
Rebounding in the playoffs was a big concern. We gave up too many second chance shots.
Yeah, Jazz are an elite rebounding team in 43 minutes of basketball, but their "clutch" defensive rebounding rate (defined as game being within 5 points with under 5 minutes remaining) was nearly last (26th). The overall rebounding rate for clutch minutes is 16th because the Jazz are 8th in offensive rebounding rate in clutch minutes.
It's kind of small sample size because the Jazz played the 2nd least amount of clutch minutes in teh NBA due to all the blowouts, but the issue is that teams are putting Gobert in high PNR or isolating him and not enough players are engaged in rebounding. Jazz have a lot of lazy rebounders who just ball watch besides Gobert/Royce (Bogey/Mitchell being the biggest culprits).
This is all true.
campaignist
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I feel like a broken record but, we really shouldn't have to count on 6'4" Royce O'Neale to be our second best rebounder.