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Kendall Marshall - Our next PG Hope

MrBlue said:
Why is everyone pigeonholing Rivers as a SG? I think he is a PG. He has a poor-man's Derrick Rose-game.

As for Lamb, not sure why people here are so down on him. He was incredible during UConn's Championship run and since Kemba has left and risen to the challenge of being a primary scorer. He is a more explosive Rip Hamilton.
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Not really seeing any comparisons between Rose and River at all. If anything he is a poor man's Jamall Crawford with hereditary hype.

Rose averaged many more assist and is a much better athlete. Rivers is a better 3pt shooter, but that is about it. I still don't know how Rivers can only average 2 assist on a team loaded with 3 point shooters and be considered capable of being a PG on the NBA level.
 
Revolution 9 said:
We'd have to get a shooter too as well. We could go after one to fill Josh Howard's spot next year, and maybe Miles....
We are going to trim some of the fat this offseason, and hopefully fine tune this team to work better.
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Agree. Other then pg, shooting is the most glaring weakness for the Jazz. I don't know how Ty and KOC can just ignore ether of those weaknesses. If we end up with 2 draft picks, I can see us getting a shooter and Marshall. As far as free agentcy goes, I don't know how far under the cap the jazz will be, but KOC would be dumb not to go after shooters, assuming there are any available. Next year we could have on the perimeter, Hayward, Bell, Burks, two free agent shooters, draft pick that can shoot to go with Marshall. Is this scenario plausible. If this were to happen would those of you that don't want Marshall be fine drafting Marshall?
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Not really seeing any comparisons between Rose and River at all. If anything he is a poor man's Jamall Crawford with hereditary hype.

Rose averaged many more assist and is a much better athlete. Rivers is a better 3pt shooter, but that is about it. I still don't know how Rivers can only average 2 assist on a team loaded with 3 point shooters and be considered capable of being a PG on the NBA level.
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That's what I've been saying, you just said it better, as I've said before I'm not apposed to drafting Rivers, just not to play pg. I just don't see Him as a pg.

I've also noticed Lillard creeping into the discussion. I don't know much about him, what are his strength's and weaknesses? Is he a guy that can get 6 to 8 assists a game? Can he run the offense?
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Agree. Other then pg, shooting is the most glaring weakness for the Jazz. I don't know how Ty and KOC can just ignore ether of those weaknesses. If we end up with 2 draft picks, I can see us getting a shooter and Marshall. As far as free agentcy goes, I don't know how far under the cap the jazz will be, but KOC would be dumb not to go after shooters, assuming there are any available. Next year we could have on the perimeter, Hayward, Bell, Burks, two free agent shooters, draft pick that can shoot to go with Marshall. Is this scenario plausible. If this were to happen would those of you that don't want Marshall be fine drafting Marshall?
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To me, Marshall's biggest problem will be whether he can defend the likes of Westbrooks, and Rose....regardless of whether or not we have shooters or if he can shoot. I believe he can run the offense better than any PG in this draft.

If the Jazz want to compete for championships in 4 years with Burks, Hayward, Favors, and Kanter then they'll need a premier defensive stopper at the PG position because Chicago, Clippers, Thunder are the teams to beat and they all have very good PG's. That'll be the position to stop if we want to get to the next level.
 
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I know he had a great game, but Marshall making 4 3's in a game against essentially no defense doesn't mean a lot to me. The fact that people find that as an improvement shows me how bad his shooting really is. I wish he was a good shooter because he really is everything you want out of a passing PG, he just has so many liabilities in his game that scare me.
 
Hantlers said:
I know he had a great game, but Marshall making 4 3's in a game against essentially no defense doesn't mean a lot to me. The fact that people find that as an improvement shows me how bad his shooting really is. I wish he was a good shooter because he really is everything you want out of a passing PG, he just has so many liabilities in his game that scare me.
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What about Rivers liabilities as a pg? With Rivers the offense stays the same. Is anyone happy with how the offense is now? With Rivers we will continue to play stagnant post play offense where Al and favors and Millsap force up bad shots with double and triple teams, and outside shots out side the the context of the offense up against the shot clock.

Marshall's shot is a concern, but he isn't going to shoot much, so it's not that big of a deal. Marshall will improve ball movement and keep the offense in an upward momentum, instead of all the isolation play and post up. Remember when the wings used to get easy layups and dunks when Deron was here? With Marshall that aspect of the offense would return. Less post up and more dunking by the bigs in slashing plays for dunks thanks to better ball movement. In a way Marshall's lack of shooting and and athletic ability is a good thing, and what makes him as good as he is at running an offense. What I mean by this is he isn't going to hold the ball as much he will keep it moving which will make everyone else move instead of standing around watching as we see now.

One other thing to consider is even if the Jazz draft Rivers, the Jazz still need to find shooters Rivers alone won't turn it into a strength. Weather you draft Rivers or Marshall, the jazz still need to add more shooters.

Also another thing to consider....

Having Rivers benefits Al more then it does Favors or Millsap. Favors isn't a good post player has no real post moves. Millsaps post play largely consists of 10 to 15 foot fadeaways or iso one on one plays trying to get to the hoop where he is met by other defenders making it harder to get his shot up as an undersized pf. With Marshall it benefits Millsap and Favors more as they will not be asked to post up as much. With more of a motion offense Marshall will get the ball to both Millsap and Favors in a position to slash to the hoop before the defense has a chance to react. Favors and Kanter would in my opinion would develop quicker and not learn Al's bad habbits, but instead learn the correct fundamentals and good habits.
 
God I hate it when I ramble, bt what I'm trying to say is Rivers liabilities affects the team more then Marshall's liabilities do.

If we get Rivers we need to keep Al, with Marshall the offense can afford to lose Al much more.
 
Would you like to know why Deron was able to open up the flow of our offense so well? Because defenders had to respect him, he could pop up for a jumper at any time OR drive past them and get to the lane. Marshall can do neither of those. College offenses are much, much different than NBA offenses. We NEED a player that can create something...Marshall can't do that. IMO, Marshall is going to struggle mightily due to his lack of a shot in the NBA because of the difference of offensive styles. Everybody is athletic in the NBA, defenders are going to lay off him and he will maybe make 30% of his shots...if we're lucky. That causes defenders to cluster in towards our big men more, the same damn problem that we have right now.

Also I'm not sure why you think that the offense would stay the same with Rivers...have you seen him play? He's a dynamic creator with a tight handle that does have the ability to pass...trust me. That just isn't his role in Duke's offense, he's being asked to be their primary offensive source. His job is to score, and he does it well. Rivers definitely can create, do you know how many times I've seen him drive and make a nice pass to Mason Plumlee (has the worst hands ever) only to see Plumlee fumble with it and then miss a layup? Anyways, Rivers being able to drive and shoot (like DWill) will open up the passes to our interior because the defenders will have to respect him. Obviously Rivers can't pass like DWill, but I can guarantee you that if he played PG in the NBA he could average ~5 apg no problem...probably more. Anyways, the point I'm getting at here is that a PG that can drive + shoot + dish will always be able to create more opportunities for his teammates than the guy who can just pass.
 
Hantlers said:
Would you like to know why Deron was able to open up the flow of our offense so well? Because defenders had to respect him, he could pop up for a jumper at any time OR drive past them and get to the lane. Marshall can do neither of those. College offenses are much, much different than NBA offenses. We NEED a player that can create something...Marshall can't do that. IMO, Marshall is going to struggle mightily due to his lack of a shot in the NBA because of the difference of offensive styles. Everybody is athletic in the NBA, defenders are going to lay off him and he will maybe make 30% of his shots...if we're lucky. That causes defenders to cluster in towards our big men more, the same damn problem that we have right now.

Also I'm not sure why you think that the offense would stay the same with Rivers...have you seen him play? He's a dynamic creator with a tight handle that does have the ability to pass...trust me. That just isn't his role in Duke's offense, he's being asked to be their primary offensive source. His job is to score, and he does it well. Rivers definitely can create, do you know how many times I've seen him drive and make a nice pass to Mason Plumlee (has the worst hands ever) only to see Plumlee fumble with it and then miss a layup? Anyways, Rivers being able to drive and shoot (like DWill) will open up the passes to our interior because the defenders will have to respect him. Obviously Rivers can't pass like DWill, but I can guarantee you that if he played PG in the NBA he could average ~5 apg no problem...probably more. Anyways, the point I'm getting at here is that a PG that can drive + shoot + dish will always be able to create more opportunities for his teammates than the guy who can just pass.
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Mark Jackson had the same limitations and he is #2 in assists and had a long successful career. Not a valid argument. If you want Rivers that means we have to keep Al so the offense doesn't drop off. The defense can only sustain a team for so long eventually you need to score.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Mark Jackson had the same limitations and he is #2 in assists and had a long successful career. Not a valid argument. If you want Rivers that means we have to keep Al so the offense doesn't drop off. The defense can only sustain a team for so long eventually you need to score.
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And you DON'T want to draft Rivers?
 
spycam1 said:
And you DON'T want to draft Rivers?
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Rivers plays the same position as Hayward and Burks. I'm not convinced he is better than either of those guys. Marshall is a guy that could potentially make everyone around him better, likes to push tempo, and is a smart player.

Rivers is a streaky shooter, a poor FT shooter, and not a great passer.
 
ESPN has the Jazz now taking a Damian Lillard. What do you all think off him?
 
PKM said:
I think most here are high on him. About the only knock is that he's played inferior competition making him less of a known quantity.
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Just a brand new name for me. They say he can really score, is super quick and can see the floor. How is his passing and D?
 
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