Following potential 2012 draftees

[Weezur]

Damn, I didn't realize how crap the point gaurd class is for the next 3 years. It makes sense then that he's 8 or 9 on BPA lists.
I'm still fine with taking him at 8 or 9. And I wouldn't be surprised if Zeller is there for us at 13/14. Probably no Perry Jones, T Jones, or Barnes by that point.

I think Cyrone's right about Portland. Drummond and Rivers/Beal sounds like what they need. Basically, Oden + Roy all over again.

 

[spycam1]

Will be interesting to see if Barnes drops to 8 though, and if he does, do we take him?

I brought this up once. Most here seemed to like him at 8. But if Marshall is also on the board....I really don't know who I would go with. Both seem like great fits for us, but I think PG is definitely a bigger need than SF.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Purely for kicks, I decided to do a side-by-side comparison of PJ3's and TJ's sophomore year.

MPG
PJ3 - 30.7
TJ - 29.3

FGA/FGM - FG%
PJ3 - 364/182 - 50%
TJ - 354/177 - 50%

FTA/FTM - FT%
PJ3 - 102/71 - 69.6%
TJ - 158/99 - 62.7%

3PA/3PM - 3P%
PJ3 - 33/10 - 30.3%
TJ - 49/16 - 32.7%

Points
PJ3 - 445
TJ - 469

OFFR/DEFR - TRB's
PJ3 - 89/163 - 252
TJ - 96/176 - 272

Assists
PJ3 - 42
TJ - 51

TO's
PJ3 - 56
TJ - 62

Steals
PJ3 - 28
TJ - 49

Blocks
PJ3 - 20
TJ - 68

 

[Chargers Jazz Angels]

Purely for kicks, I decided to do a side-by-side comparison of PJ3's and TJ's sophomore year.

MPG
PJ3 - 30.7
TJ - 29.3

FGA/FGM - FG%
PJ3 - 364/182 - 50%
TJ - 354/177 - 50%

FTA/FTM - FT%
PJ3 - 102/71 - 69.6%
TJ - 158/99 - 62.7%

3PA/3PM - 3P%
PJ3 - 33/10 - 30.3%
TJ - 49/16 - 32.7%

Points
PJ3 - 445
TJ - 469

OFFR/DEFR - TRB's
PJ3 - 89/163 - 252
TJ - 96/176 - 272

Assists
PJ3 - 42
TJ - 51

TO's
PJ3 - 56
TJ - 62

Steals
PJ3 - 28
TJ - 49

Blocks
PJ3 - 20
TJ - 68

Offensively they are similar but it looks like Tjones is a better defender.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Offensively they are similar but it looks like Tjones is a better defender.

They looked very similar throughout, then, when I got to steals and blocks .. I saw what I was expecting, PJ3 doesn't give the same effort in areas that don't reflect in the offensive boxscore. This exercise, for me, was not to determine the better player, but rather to get a better idea of where each player seems to focus their energies.

 

[orangello]

I thought that I would throw Royce White into the equation as well:

MPG
31.5

FGM-FGA FG%
175-328 .534

3PM-3PA 3P%
4-12 .333

FTM-FTA FT%
102-205 .498

REB
316

Assists
170

BLK
32

STL
40

TO's
130

PTS
456

 

[orangello]

Here it is next to the other two.

Purely for kicks, I decided to do a side-by-side comparison of PJ3's and TJ's sophomore year.

MPG
PJ3 - 30.7
TJ - 29.3
RW - 31.5

FGA/FGM - FG%
PJ3 - 364/182 - 50%
TJ - 354/177 - 50%
RW - 328/175 - 53%

FTA/FTM - FT%
PJ3 - 102/71 - 69.6%
TJ - 158/99 - 62.7%
RW - 205/102 - 49.8%

3PA/3PM - 3P%
PJ3 - 33/10 - 30.3%
TJ - 49/16 - 32.7%
RW - 12/4 - 33.3%

Points
PJ3 - 445
TJ - 469
RW - 456

OFFR/DEFR - TRB's
PJ3 - 89/163 - 252
TJ - 96/176 - 272
RW - ?/? - 316

Assists
PJ3 - 42
TJ - 51
RW - 170

TO's
PJ3 - 56
TJ - 62
RW - 130

A/TO
PJ3 - .75
TJ - .82
RW - 1.31

Steals
PJ3 - 28
TJ - 49
RW - 40

Blocks
PJ3 - 20
TJ - 68
RW - 32

I added a category.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Here it is next to the other two.


I added a category.

The thing most impressive about White is his A/TO. He's THE option on his team, so his scoring and rebounding are not surprising (I imagine TJ, in particular, would have put up much bigger numbers if not competing for Rebounds against MKG and Davis .. as well as scoring with EVERYONE on the team). However, with RW being the primary ball-handler and go-to option, his A/TO is very impressive.

 

[orangello]

The thing most impressive about White is his A/TO. He's THE option on his team, so his scoring and rebounding are not surprising (I imagine TJ, in particular, would have put up much bigger numbers if not competing for Rebounds against MKG and Davis .. as well as scoring with EVERYONE on the team). However, with RW being the primary ball-handler and go-to option, his A/TO is very impressive.

That does leap out to me as well. I think that it is also good to point out that as the primary option on the team he was still able to shoot above both TJ and PJ3. The numbers also tell me that he knows where he is effective so he does not spend a lot of time on the perimeter.

 

[Dr. Jones]

That does leap out to me as well. I think that it is also good to point out that as the primary option on the team he was still able to shoot above both TJ and PJ3. The numbers also tell me that he knows where he is effective so he does not spend a lot of time on the perimeter.

Okay, after all that analysis (and good stuff, imo), I still go;

1) PJ3
2) TJones
3) Royce

lol

 

[orangello]

Okay, after all that analysis (and good stuff, imo), I still go;

1) PJ3
2) TJones
3) Royce

lol

I agree about the analysis. My thoughts are:

PJ3
RW
TJ

I am not hating on TJ, I just hate tweeners but if I had to choose between the two I feel like White has more ability to play the 3 if needed, but can still be effective playing the 4.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I agree about the analysis. My thoughts are:

PJ3
RW
TJ

I am not hating on TJ, I just hate tweeners but if I had to choose between the two I feel like White has more ability to play the 3 if needed, but can still be effective playing the 4.

Okay, you really lost me on this one. We're normally pretty in sync, but I don't get the tweener thing. If TJ is a tweener, what position does PJ3 play, in your mind? How about RW?

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Anyone think there's a chance Marshall falls to us at 13/14? I feel like Portland and NO will both take one of the PG's (Marshall, Lillard) with their second pick. So if we want a PG from the draft, we may have to take one with our first pick (assuming we get it). Thoughts?

I've said for a long time that Marshall is worth a pick in the 8-10 range. Drafting Marshall is like drafting an entirely new offensive team. He's that good.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Okay, you really lost me on this one. We're normally pretty in sync, but I don't get the tweener thing. If TJ is a tweener, what position does PJ3 play, in your mind? How about RW?

Agreed. TJ isn't a tweener, the guy is 6'9. That is prototypical PF size.

 

[BENTLEY]

PKM - you've changed your tune on Marshall moving him up from the 20s to top 10.
Can you tell us why? Are you still down on him defensively? Are his weaknesses offset by his strengths or do you think he'll improve his weaknesses?

 

[orangello]

Okay, you really lost me on this one. We're normally pretty in sync, but I don't get the tweener thing. If TJ is a tweener, what position does PJ3 play, in your mind? How about RW?

I still view TJones as a SF/PF
I view PJ3 as a PF
I view RW as a PF/SF

 

[NUMBERICA]

PKM - you've changed your tune on Marshall moving him up from the 20s to top 10.
Can you tell us why? Are you still down on him defensively? Are his weaknesses offset by his strengths or do you think he'll improve his weaknesses?

I'm not PKM obviously, so I can only speak for myself (who is probably in his same boat on this question).

It's mostly a matter of his strengths overshadow his weaknesses, but I also think he might be able to become a decent shooter. His defense will probably be his weakness as a player and I'm not sure how much he can do to fix it. But really, the guy just has an other-worldly feel for and impact on the game.

 

[BENTLEY]

Perry Jones

https://https://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2012/04/nba-gms-say-perry-jones-iii-played-out-o.html

NBA GM's say Perry Jones III played out of position in college, needs to play where he is comfortable to succeed in NBA
By
Josh Friemel / Special Contributor

joshua.friemel@gmail.com | Bio

1:19 PM on Tue., Apr. 10, 2012 | Permalink

If Perry Jones III had gone pro after one season at Baylor, he could have been a top-five pick.

He didn't leave because he said he wasn't mature enough to be on his own.

"I'm not ready to move onto that next level yet and to have that lifestyle," Jones to Andy Katz of ESPN.com. "I'm 19. I know I could be a top-five pick. I know I could make a lot of money. If I'm not ready next year either, then I'm not ready next year.''

The consequences he's faced for staying an extra year have come through criticisms about his play on the court and even his achievements in the classroom.

After his decision to go pro this year, ESPN's Chad Ford has Jones going ninth overall to the Milwaukee Bucks . The discussions have come up about Jones' capability of being a successful NBA player or a bust.

One NBA GM told Ford that Jones needs to play his position.

"He really has the game of a 2-guard or a small forward," one NBA GM told Ford. "Baylor used him as a center for the past two years, so you rarely got to see him comfortable. It's like, what if UConn had tried to play Rudy Gay at the 5? I think people would've had a very different opinion of him on draft night.

"Players are who they think they are, not who you think they are," the scout said. "Perry Jones thinks like a point guard, not a big man. That's where his heart is. Embrace that and he's going to be amazing. Fight it and he could be a huge disappointment."

To read Ford's full article, click here. (ESPN Insider required)

 

[BENTLEY]

I'm not PKM obviously, so I can only speak for myself (who is probably in his same boat on this question).

It's mostly a matter of his strengths overshadow his weaknesses, but I also think he might be able to become a decent shooter. His defense will probably be his weakness as a player and I'm not sure how much he can do to fix it. But really, the guy just has an other-worldly feel for and impact on the game.

Well, I'm feeling swayed to join the pro-Marshall bandwagon, but I'm not sure. Scott Machado can be had in the second round - might be better value. But maybe Marshall's really a special player? Am I just wishing?

 

[NUMBERICA]

Perry Jones didn't prove to be very good as a perimeter player, unfortunately.

Jonathan Bender with a Lamar Odom ceiling.