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Nobody was talking about same standards. Example is about somebodies religion interfering with others daily life and duties.

So basically your arguement is that a Jehovas Witness not wanting your daughter to give them a blood transfusion is forcing your daughter to live by their religion?

Using that example you may want to ban alcohol, smoking, music, porn, protests, fatty foods, excersize, reading, inmodest clothing or anything else that might offend someone.

I mean after all seeing a woman in a see thru shirt forces me to be exposed to her life style. We can't have that.
 
I heard atheists love slavery and are pissed that the North won the war by putting "In God We Trust" on the currency for the very first time. :p

Well we all know how uneducated those dark people are...
 
According to the opinion of some people. The opinions of others think it is right where it belongs.

The First Amendment says otherwise.

Of course, SCOTUS has given an easy out. It turns out that the God which is on our money is not the God of Abraham, not the Christian God, not Allah, nor the Mormon God. It's the God of ceremonial deism. In deism, God may have created the universe, but after that God has left it alone. In deism, there is no Savior, no sin, no redemption, no heaven. If Jesus existed at all, it was as a man, and Paul was a corrupting influence on anything Jesus said. I think that SCOTUS has unwittingly played a great joke on Christians all over the USA, getting them to defend a God whose existence would be anathema to them.
 
Not true. Helmets for motorcyclists is not my view of the world - it is simple rule.

I have a friend who rides a motorcycle. He has never been pulled over for not wearing a helmet. Not once and he never wears a helmet. He isn't a Sikh. Even if he was and he was allowed to not wear a helmet that does not force compliance of his religion upon you. You are not required to wear his head coverings. You are changing your arguement.

Edit: Helmets for motorcycles and the laws regarding that vary state to state.
 
found this... perfect examples of religion being forced.

"Although it has become tradition for US presidents to end their Presidential Oath with "so help me God", this is not required by the Constitution. However, the Vice President, the House of Representatives, the Senate, the members of the Cabinet, and all other civil and military officers and federal employees other than the President are required to take an oath ending with "so help me God."

Some state constitutions in the US require belief in God or a Supreme Being as a prerequisite for holding public office or being a witness in court. This applies to Arkansas, Maryland, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Pennsylvania, and Texas.

I am curious as to your sources.

The constitution is quite clear that there are to be no religious tests for federal offices. There is an atheist in Congress. I doubt he was forced to say "so help me God".

Some state constitutions have such provisions, but they are considered unenforceable.
 
The courts disagree with you One Brow.

The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution is part of the Bill of Rights. The amendment prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/frien...upreme-court-rejects-in-god-we-trust-lawsuit/

Regardless of the writers opinion it is clear that the courts disagree with your view.

Also : https://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/03/07/BAFV1I5O19.DTL

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The courts disagree with you One Brow.

Really? YOu don't think the courst's doctrine is based on the notion of ceremonial deism? What's your source?

Actually, I think you read just the first line, and tripped over your eagerness to prove me wrong so thoroughly, that you completely missed the second paragraph explaining what the SCOTUS decisions referred to. Or, perhaps your eyes glazed over at paragraph with six whole sentences. Either way, you're pretty damn funny.

An introduction of the notion of ceremonial deism:

"protected from Establishment Clause scrutiny chiefly because they have lost through rote repetition any significant religious content"

See? The use of God on money, etc. has no religious content, according to SCOTUS. In particular, it is not your God.
 
So basically your arguement is that a Jehovas Witness not wanting your daughter to give them a blood transfusion is forcing your daughter to live by their religion?

Using that example you may want to ban alcohol, smoking, music, porn, protests, fatty foods, excersize, reading, inmodest clothing or anything else that might offend someone.

I mean after all seeing a woman in a see thru shirt forces me to be exposed to her life style. We can't have that.

And alcohol is banned in numerous public places, same as smoking, nudity, etc.

And example with blood transfusion is just to show how religion can be a pain in the butt to somebody who just tried to do their job - in that situation saving somebodies life and latter being sued for it.
Another example was about doctors shaving long beard of sikh man to do life saving surgery on his throat after he was brought to emergency... sure after his *** was saved he sued them for shaving his precious beard. Life is full of examples where religion is a problem to somebody just doing their job.

At the end of the day I do not care what people are doing in their private life, what they eat, what they believe or how they dress. Problems happen when it is brought into public and forced onto other people.
 
I have a friend who rides a motorcycle. He has never been pulled over for not wearing a helmet. Not once and he never wears a helmet. He isn't a Sikh. Even if he was and he was allowed to not wear a helmet that does not force compliance of his religion upon you. You are not required to wear his head coverings. You are changing your arguement.

Edit: Helmets for motorcycles and the laws regarding that vary state to state.


It is true that different countries and states may have different rules about helmets and motorcycles.
So lets say your friend will move to other state where helmet is required and he will need to pay ticket for violation of that rule will he go to court and complain that he did not know or that his previous state allowed that?
 
• In 2001 Schnittker in the “Journal for the scientific study of religion” examined a data set of 2,836 adults from the general population and he found religious involvement had no significant relationship with depression. He also found that religiousness was a buffer against mental distress.

• In 2002 Smith, McCullough and Poll, in their journal “A meta analytic review of the religiousness-depression association: evidence for main effects and stress buffering effects” carried out an analysis of over 200 social studies and found that high religiousness predicts a rather lower risk of depression, drug abuse and fewer suicide attempts

• In 2002 Bryan Johnson and colleagues of the University of Pennsylvania Centre for Research on Religion and Urban Civil Society reviewed 498 studies that had been published in peer reviewed journals. They concluded that a large majority of studies showed a positive correlation between religious commitment and higher levels of perceived well-being and self esteem, and lower levels of hypertension, depression and criminal delinquency.

• In the Handbook of Religion and Health, edited by Harold Koenig, Michael McCullough and David Larson. The authors reviewed 2,000 published experiments designed to test the relationship between religion and various medical conditions such as heart disease, cancer and depression. The overall results were that religious people tend to live longer and have physically healthier lives. Young people have significantly lower levels of drug and alcohol abuse, criminal delinquency and attempted suicide.

• Even in China an officially non-religious state. A recent study by Paul Badham and Xinzhong Yao for the Ian Ramsey Centre at Oxford University, reported that a majority of those felt religious experiences had a positive effect on their lives.

• In 2000, Political Scientist and Professor Robert Putnam surveyed 200 volunteer organisations and it showed that there was a positive correlation between religiosity and membership of volunteer organisations.

• The Index of Global Philanthropy, 2007 states: “Religious people are more charitable than non-religious not only in giving to their own congregations, but also – regardless of income, region, social class, and other demographic variables – significantly more charitable in their secular donations and informal giving.”

Ok so lets list what the research shows: Religious people are more charitable, live happier lives, commit less crimes, less drug and alcohol abuse, less suicide. Forget the afterlife, you will live a better this life.

Now, I am opening up a book from my college class "The process of Parenting" by Jane Brooks. "Family Rituals and routines bring family members closer together... preserved stability at times of stress... increases children's feeling of security... less likely to develop problems with alcohol... Organized rituals also increase children's academic competence... feel a sense of belonging." (Pg 119-120) This also includes secular routines and rituals but doesn't exclude religious. Praying 5 times a day, going to church, and thanking god are some of the most time efficient things you can do for your happiness and success at life.

The only counter that atheists can muster up to this is "oh living in illusion ok, I am not that stoopid I can't do that." Growing up the smartest people I know were usually religious. I live in Arizona so a lot of Mormons and they were usually among the smartest, along with Jews, Hindu's, Muslims. I think its an extremely arrogant thing to say that anyone of any faith is living in illusion. Any faith can potentially be right most people stick to the one that they think is most probably right (which is often their parents but lets not commit the genetic fallacy here). We can all agree that humans combined know far less then 1% of total knowledge. Something learned in the 99% of unknown knowledge can overthrow our whole world view. That's why I don't insult any religion (at least in real life, sometimes people in internet piss me off!!!!) There are modern scientists of every faith. True that there are more scientists then the general population that are atheist. However, this is not a very strong argument for me because all my friends that didn't get accepted into medical school became scientists. Doctors have more religiosity then the general population. If I did listen to people it would be the medical school acceptees rather then the medical school rejects :).
 
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That is my cue to exit the thread. One Brow and TBS come in and I am done here.
 
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