Jazz Offer Millsap Extension
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trigg3r
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What other choice do we have now but to trade him? Like many of you, I don't see how he can accept the max we can offer him. Why would he? Or can the offer be raised when Al is off the books after this year. I just don't think we can justify paying him 10-12 per. Very good player to have, but it doesn't seem to make sense for us.
underKANTER
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Millsap's future for the Jazz should and hopefully will be a great sixth man. He could be an average starter at the PF position but would be a great above average force with the second unit coming off the bench. His size, quickness and overall athleticizm produce some concerns against the more athletic and bigger starters in the league on both ends of the floor. Around 10 per year should be the most we should be willing to spend. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big Millsap supporter, but that's the limit, imo.
underKANTER
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sounds like millsap will only sign with the jazz if we're ready to pay around 11-13 mio per year. that's above the limit of 9-11 mio per year. millsap's future role for this team should be a hell of an above average sixth man. he won't accept this kind of a role and we will only be able to retain him if we're ready to overpay. so, it's getting obvious: we won't be able to resign him. trade him so we at least can get something in return than losing him for nothing...
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The offer can be raised in the offseason. We can even pay him max if we want to (I believe). This is only the max EXTENSION of an existing contract that we can offer. If anyone knows if I'm wrong let me know... I'm still very shaky with this new CBA.
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Ok... I found this info on St. Wikipedia...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_salary_cap
Right now Millsap is only a 6 year veteran... Next free agency period he will be a seventh year veteran. So the max he can sign for next season is 30 percent of the cap. He does have trade value because he would be traded with his bird rights.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_salary_cap
Right now Millsap is only a 6 year veteran... Next free agency period he will be a seventh year veteran. So the max he can sign for next season is 30 percent of the cap. He does have trade value because he would be traded with his bird rights.
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Found this info on ESPN about contract extensions (But it says nothing about the amount of money available for the contract extension)
https://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/CBA-111128/how-new-nba-deal-compares-last-one
https://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/CBA-111128/how-new-nba-deal-compares-last-one
gregbroncs
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I don't think you have a tinfoil hat on. This is a good move by the franchise. Paul is going to get overpaid this off season. By making it known that they attempted to sign him for what I see as a reasonable contract they have a built in excuse to the fanbase when he is traded or when he leaves via free agency. This is a great future PR move. They are looking into the future and see that this is probably going to be a problem. Might as well address it now instead of after the fact.
billyshelby
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The maximum we can offer isn't what he's worth, and also shortchanges him a year, so he can't realistically sign it. There is no negotiation to be had whatsoever. Sucks, that's how it is.
Gyp Rosetti
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I said slightly insulting. Not the type that would linger with you for days or weeks, just the type where one would feel slighted some. I wouldn't want to pay more than about 10M for him (even if lesser players are getting better contracts than that) but for me, I'd have to think one may feel slightly insulted at the 8.33M per year offer. Ya know, considering it appears way below market value.
It seems that the NBA collective bargaining agreement made a massive mistake. Why can a free agent sign for 5 years, but an extension only be 3? Why would any player, who will likely have free agent value (e.g., Howard, Bynum, Paul, Millsap, etc.) sign an extension and give up 2 additional guaranteed years even if they wanted to remain with their current team. In an effort to end bad extensions (i.e., Joe Johnson), the owners seem to have reduced the lieklihood that a player will even accept an extension at all. It would have made more sense that a restricted free agent extension would be 3 years max, but a unrestricted free agent should be 5 years max.
freakazoid
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Utah had to make the offer to show their interest in keeping him. It's not an insult because I can guarantee Sap's agent has him informed that Utah's hands are tied. Like Billy said, both sides know he isn't going to, nor should sign it, but the FO has to go through the motions to show their interest. Also, this is just the max for extension. Utah could still re-sign him for more money on a new contract, if they want to overpay, depending on what you think he might be worth. I'm guessing he'll get 12 per, and that's probably overpaying a bit, but the truth is, Utah is a team that has to overpay some players at times in order to build a competetive team. If Sap is willing to stay for 12 per, I'm not so sure Utah won't pay it, when you look around at how much some of these other players are getting.
billyshelby
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I don't think it's going to come down to price with Sap. I'm sure we can and would overpay to keep him. But the next contract he signs is to be somebody's guaranteed starting 4. If Utah is not guaranteeing that, he won't re-sign.
UGLI baby
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Well, I wish I could say I was surprised but after Boozer, Deron, and a laundry list of others I'm not. Greed is killing our society and this is a perfect example. Thats a damn good offer and alot of money, especially in this economy. If he doesnt want to play basketball for millions in front of the best fans the NBA has to offer then F him. Oh, and dont get me started on the Jazz and mr cheapskate himself (ya I'm talkin to YOU Greggy boy). I mean seriously your gonna lowball our best player and expect him to want to stay? LOL this is why were the Jazz.
Wait, why is that the max extension that he is eligible for? Seems way too low.
He isn't a star PF or anything, but he is definitely a top 10 PF.
underKANTER
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not top 10, maybe top 15 or 20 (gasol, garnett, stoudemire, nowitzki, griffin, smith, bosh, duncan, aldridge, love, randolph)
i see millsap in the next tier of players like west, ibaka, odom, nene, lee, boozer and so on. definitely one of the better pf's in the league, but to be fair, not better than top 15. you also have guys like cousins, monroe that are more of a pf. put in davis in the discussion as well. gibson, ilyasova and humphries are underrated as well.you could also argue that he is a top 20 pf which seems to be the better answer. so, he seems to be an average starter at the pf position, imo. but still a very good player.
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gregbroncs
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While you are normally a really good poster. This post in just dumb. Maybe get the info and read the thread before making these types of claims. THEY OFFERED THE MOST THEY CAN WITHIN THE RESTRICTIONS OF THE CURRENT CBA. How can it possibly be a lowball offer when they can not legally offer any more?
As for the Millsap part I have a hard time blaming him. While I think it's more than a fair deal for him. It's also a lot less than he is probably worth in free agency and for a shorter amount of time than he could get if this is how much he wants. Either the amount per year or the length of this contract will need to be more/longer. He might take 8.5-10M per year if it's for 4-5 years. But for a contract as short as 3 years he'll definitely want a lot more than that.