orangello
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This. Great post NAOS.
Offseason Random Twitter Comments about Jazz Players
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This. Great post NAOS.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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I've said many times that I want Al gone.
Did you take a break from watching jazz games in February, because Millsap was consistently bad that entire month. I do agree that Millsap has been our cornerstone player, which is why both he and Al must go, as neither player deserves to be paid as that type of player.
Will Favors be that cornerstone player? I don't know, but we can't know until we give Favors a try. In the meantime we either trade Al and Millsap for assets or let them walk and build the team around Favors, and Hayward, Kanter, and Burks. If Mo, Marvin, and Foye work out we can sign them as well as quality role players. As well as a couple more bigs with all that money, and hopefully the GS pick ends up being decent to really good to go along.
And yes I watched just about every game this last year.
theNBAnerd
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favors needs to play 25+ minutes per game and get enough touches to grow noticeably. i don't care if he starts, but obviously it's a lot easier if he does.
my ideal starting lineup is still paul + favors. i just doubt the jazz are going to bring their highest paid player and leading scorer/rebounder off the bench.
my ideal starting lineup is still paul + favors. i just doubt the jazz are going to bring their highest paid player and leading scorer/rebounder off the bench.
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I think this is where our opinion differs. If the Jazz retain either Millsap or Jefferson. I would prefer the Jazz to retain Jefferson. He can play both the PF and C position, he's longer, and I think he's the better player out of the two of them. As far as Favors goes, I do believe what he prefers to play does matter a little bit. If the Jazz want to make Favors the "face" of the franchise they need to keep him happy. This reminds me a little bit about Duncan whining about being a Power Forward... The Spurs just went along with it. I think the Jazz will do the same.
Good Post by the way, NAOS, I appreciate the conversation.
asian_roger
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I think it will be fair to have them both starting at different games depending on the matchups we get. For easy opponents, let favors start. For tougher la laker caliber opponents, let millsap start, but quickly sub in favors and force the other team to play their starters a lot longer. If corbin can manage this very well, then all is good. Historically, Are there any players that millsap consistently owns or struggles against?
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I guarantee you this would only make the problem worse. I don't believe that Favors or Millsap would like this idea. Both would argue that it ruins chemistry and consistency. Both players want to start, however, only one can be the "starter". You can't have your cake and eat it too in this situation.
The only possibility I can see working out is the "Big" lineup w/ starting Millsap as a Small Forward. However, I'm not sure how Marvin will take coming off the bench.
I'm also not sure if I have confidence in Coach Pop to pull of a stunt like this, let alone Coach Corbin.
I want to add that I do like the fact that you're thinking outside the box. Rep'd
Stifle Tower
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If the Jazz hope to keep Millsap, he'll have to be a starter. Sorry, I just don't see Favors as a starting 5, nor Al coming off the bench. If/when Millsap re-signs, they can ask him to anchor the 2nd unit since he will have already received his big contract. Seriously, I think that is one of the biggest factors: if Paul gives up his starting role, he won't be offered as much next summer.
Fishsticks
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Will the common fan revolt if favors does not start? I'd assume must die hards would riot. From my perspective if he is benched for milsap to pave the way to his next contract, im gonna....im gonna, shoot I don't know what I will do, but I sure as hell won't be buying league pass again to watch that dysfunctional front line 82 times.
Fishsticks
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I just don't see it as an option for Paul to "give up" his starting position. I see it as he has no choice at all, so **** him. I appreciate what he has done, but he was the best player on a subpar team last year. That does not mean **** in my book. I want the future now.
NAOS
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where the **** are the words "Al" and/or "Jefferson" in this pouting? C'mon man.
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Fishsticks
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Both are flawed, I don't care which one goes. I do think the jefferson and favors are a better fit together so I lean in that direction. Truthfully neither are the future so why "pout "about which one to get rid of?
green
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Yeah. All signs point to Jefferson staying and Millsap being traded (I wish Lilliard had fallen to 8th). I don't know if I like it or not, but I would be shocked if Jefferson isn't here another 5 years after all the Jazz have said and done this offseason.
Fishsticks
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I think Jefferson fits in very well with this new group of players. Great defenders and shooters on the wings and a guy who can clean up his messes inside. Jefferson improved his passing last year and those bombers we now have are going to be wide open a **** ton.
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Seconded. I wanna see this Big Al experiment ride out for one more year (though I would not be too upset with a trade as well). The guy gets WAY too much flak, honestly.
Stifle Tower
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Why? We didn't have a pick.
NAOS
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It's pretty funny how many people cite Jefferson's improved passing. The biggest compliment I can pay his passing is that he is more willing to throw it back out to the perimeter. That's fine, but it doesn't count the same (in my book) as a smart, predictive, play-making pass that gets somebody a layup.
Stats don't always display passing skills. For example, Millsap is twice the passer that Jefferson is.
Stats don't always display passing skills. For example, Millsap is twice the passer that Jefferson is.
Sneakers
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Yes for his passing, but not for his defense. Which is where most of the criticism coming his way is directed
theNBAnerd
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amen and amen.
10% of jefferson's possessions ended in assists last season, compared to 9% in both 09-10 and 10-11. so yes, technically that's an improvement, but for a guy who uses 20.1 possessions per game, it will take 5 games for that improvement to result in an extra ONE assist. so the "jefferson's passing has improved" schtick is seriously overblown.
Post All-star game he improved .4 assists from Pre All-start this year. With the percentage of threes we were hitting that means he passed the ball 3 extra times from the post out per game. Stats dont tell how much some one is passing either, Jefferson hit a lot more open three point shooters that either missed or passed up the shot, watching the games you saw that towards the end of the season.
Plus if you compare this postseason to last year he has improved almost an assist per game.
Is he on Millsaps level? Clearly the answer is no. However bad we want him to be traded he has not been, so far. Therefore I am going to cheer and push for any improvement he shows. Still want that trade but I am not going to him with a stick for improving even a little.