And yet you lessened my view point because I am not black. Regardless of how I was treated I am responsible for how I react. If I react in a way that further seperates us then I have some blame as well.
So I want to talk about the Mormons
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And yet you lessened my view point because I am not black. Regardless of how I was treated I am responsible for how I react. If I react in a way that further seperates us then I have some blame as well.
Or you could post in a way that will not logically lead to these assumptions. If you are not willing to truly explain your point of view beyond some condescending remark then I do not feel guilty for slapping you down.
If you want true discourse and dialouge then perhaps your should contribute to it.
CONAN
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Ya, I just wish there was a way to find out about a point of view instead of the guessing game we all have to play. Oh wait, there is a way. It's called asking questions instead of assmegging the whole thread up with your assumptions.
Heaven forbid you act like anything other then some self righteous clown. The majority of people here were providing honest discussion. You failed to, not the rest of us.
Okay, let's try it then.
When you said "Ya" did you really mean "yes" or "yeah"
When you said "wish" you meant that figuratively, right? You didn't actually perform some act that constitutes a wish?
What guessing game do we all have to play? I wasn't invited...
What's "assmegging?"
Are you referring to assumptions I made? Which ones?
This is good. I was tired of assmegging up everything. I't s gonna take a lot longer and be far less enjoyable, but at least I won't have to call upon my life experiences and knowledge to understand what people are saying, I'll just ask them.
From what I could tell via some searching just now, most are found in the King James as well. Not too surprising, since the KJV is also translated from Hebrew (Old Testament, anyway). You're probably implying that Joseph Smith could have incorporated them all simply by imitating the style of the KIV. Seems rather unlikely to me, particularly since some of them weren't even known/recognized in Joseph's day so he would have had to do it subconsciously. Possible, but highly unlikely to be doable by someone who "could neither write nor dictate a coherent and well-worded letter" (his wife's words).
Presumably because some times Joseph translated the words more literally than others.
Regarding religion, you have been on one side of the power dynamic, regarding race, you have been on the other side. Being a white Mormon is a very different experience from being a black Protestant. Also, I don't think of your point of view as lesser, just surrounded by the privilege that you refuse to acknowledge in degree and effect.
When people were checking your head for horns, would it have helped if you said the LDS were Christians just like they were?
My understanding is the KJV would have been the Bible of the churches Smith attended. Even preachers tend to sound like the Bible they read from during sermons, more than they do in casual conversation. Just like in any other field, we hear a certain vocabulary and style in a certain context, and emulate it there. Occasionally, I even notice that I talk differently on buses, while teaching, while working, while gaming, etc. It wouldn't need to be "doable", it would be automatic.
I thought the translations were being provided supernaturally?
In one or two cases it lead to a discussion which in turn lead to friendship. So yes it did. Regardless of their actions i am still responsible for mine. I can either act as I know I should in an effort to bridge the gap or I can let their actions dictate my own and reinforce the divide they wish to create.
Edit: I (see: immediate family) ended up converting three of the girls in my high school.
On Race and Religion I have been on opposing sides most of the time and yet my stance is consistent on both.
green
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Identifying as an African American hasn't prevented any friendships that I'm aware of, nor stopped any inter-racial relationships.
So, you will no longer say you're a Mormon?
Proof that even the sarcasm tag just isn't a large enough sign for some people.
So because you have not seen it means it does not exist?
I'm open to hearing stories about it. Are you saying that you refuse to be friends with anyone who says they are "African American", as opposed to "black"?
Perhaps you can point to some other early 19th century American works that display this same amount of Hebraisms, then?
Certainly. But that doesn't mean Joseph Smith had nothing to do with the process. You should read about how Oliver Cowdery tried to translate, for example.
I wont make a promise I can't keep. I'm human and will mess up.
Having said that, Even as a member of the LDS faith I can see that seperating ourselves as Mormons does us no favors. Just as other politically correct terms do others no favors. But then again that was always my stance.
I do find it funny that you are attempting to use the arguement I have made before agaisnt me. It is a foolish tactic since you are arguing for what I have been saying. So how can you be arguing against me?
Did I say that? But when I encounter someone that tells me they are African American I tell them I am European American and they look at me like I have lost my mind. I just smile and watch as you can see them thinking about it.
It is a nonsense foolish term that has one purpose. To seperate. That is the problem. People want to focus to much on what seperates us. Skin tone, religion, political views...all crap and hogwash.
Racism (one example of many) will never go away because society wants to embrace that divide. That is why we have stupid terms like that. All it does is contribute to the divide. Just one more brick on that wall between us.
