Looking for genuine discourse re:Jay-Z/NBA

[Jazz Spazz]

3- racism is an expression of a cultural and social structure vs racism is just a bunch of individual actions (here in the US)
4- racism comes from the nature of human cognition vs racism is a set of beliefs that are counter to human nature
5- racism can only be acknowledged and adjusted for in a person vs racism can be absent from a person

As for "the boy who called racist", my recommendation is to trust the data.

Correction on 4. I think we are more in agreement on this one. I think it takes effort, thought, desire, and an effort to love all people to counter any sort of racism learning that has gone on.

Thinking of how to address 3 and 5.

Question for you on 5. Do you think babies are born racist, or is it learned?

 

[Stoked]

Correction on 4. I think we are more in agreement on this one. I think it takes effort, thought, desire, and an effort to love all people to counter any sort of racism learning that has gone on.

Thinking of how to address 3 and 5.

Question for you on 5. Do you think babies are born racist, or is it learned?

For #3 I'd go with:

3- racism can be an expression of a cultural and social structure. It can also be is just a bunch of individual actions.

 

[franklin]

I'm new to these terms, so let me make sure I'm interpreting you correctly. You're saying that, in this thread, I am focusing a little too much on the thought and feelings we have as people with the US (emic), and not enough on how racism is created and endures from a psychological viewpoint (etic). Is that what you mean?

As was I. FWIW, if I had to define you with only one of those two terms I would have picked opposite DDuck.

 

[Bodhi]

I've read like 12 posts in this thread and concluded this: General Discusion is stupid.

 

[franklin]

Perhaps this is part of the liberal blindness that [size/HUGE] fixed [/size] referred to, but I really don't care much about laying what happened in the past on anyone. The racism of the past is only relevant to the degree that it affects the racism of today.

If you want to see where racism "truly exists", try an experiment of your own. Take ten resumes, and post two copies of each to various job sites, identical except for their names. Assign a stereotypically white name to one, and a stereotypically black name to another. Make sure to identify their presumptive race on the EEOC forms. Count the number of responses these identical resumes receive from all the HR people all across the US. The only thing this exercise will cost you is time.

Take those results, multiple them by the differing treatment they get once they are employed, while in school, while driving, when applying for a loan, etc., and you will see where racism lives (that is, it is everywhere).

If you really want to see inside yourself, visit Project Implicit and take a few surveys. Don't answer so slowly that you invalidate the results, as another poster did.

Do you know of any studies that show a breakdown by income? I'm more interested in the details than the overall, and have a bit of a hard time believing at face value that there's significant discrimination at the, say, $60k + level.

I'm also interested in finding out if Asian names garner more attention than whites. If I were an employer then I'd interview every Asian name before anyone else based on their stereotypical work ethic.

 

[♪alt13]

When did black people start getting a pass for using racially discriminatory language? I regularly read that essays on that topic.

Just because someone wrote an essay does not automatically make their views reflective of the attitudes of our society. I get the history and it lends me more patience when a black person holds racially divisive attitudes but that does not mean that I will pretend that it is ok. What seems to be missing from the conversation here is where we are/should be headed as a society and how to get there. The skeletons in our collective closet should be used to understand our present but our goals and aspirations should be used to shape our standards.

If Jay Z does in fact espouse this nonsense then no I would not equate it with Sterlings remarks but I would be quick to condemn it as crazy stupid and wrong. There is no room in our future for the bigotry of our past imo.

 

[Willie]

Lol, why?

Also does one have to be affected to be friendly and approachable? Believe it or not but I am fairly open to posts with a spiritual nature.

While you do seem to be respectful to many posters on this board, the alacrity with which you give strong opinions about how people in general should behave and dress seems like evidence that you aren't as open-minded as you suggest. But maybe that's just internet venting on your part. Or maybe I'm wrong.

 

[Stoked]

While you do seem to be respectful to many posters on this board, the alacrity with which you give strong opinions about how people in general should behave and dress seems like evidence that you aren't as open-minded as you suggest. But maybe that's just internet venting on your part. Or maybe I'm wrong.

Lol, My comments towards One Brow were constructive criticism on what I thought would be a better approach for his message. Toward franklin, he is openly vulgar, dismissive and insulting towards me so I have no use for him. He was brought up by another poster so I clarified.

So you came in during that exact discussion. Yes I have strong opinions but I am also more than willing to allow others theirs. Even when I strongly disagree. I never mentioned how others should dress, however that does not mean I cannot have opinions on style.

I'd suggest you go back and look at who has been intentionaly insulting and agressive. Has not been me.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Why do all you religious conservatives derail threads by talking about people instead of ideas? Gossipy bitches.

While you do seem to be respectful to many posters on this board, the alacrity with which you give strong opinions about how people in general should behave and dress seems like evidence that you aren't as open-minded as you suggest. But maybe that's just internet venting on your part. Or maybe I'm wrong.

You a religious conservative?

 

[sirkickyass]

Do you know of any studies that show a breakdown by income? I'm more interested in the details than the overall, and have a bit of a hard time believing at face value that there's significant discrimination at the, say, $60k + level.

I'm also interested in finding out if Asian names garner more attention than whites. If I were an employer then I'd interview every Asian name before anyone else based on their stereotypical work ethic.

On what basis do you believe that these effects disappear above a certain income level? I'm having problems figuring out why that would be true. It's possible it might be worse on a discrimination luxury cost basis.

Regarding the Thomas Sowell quotes above: Will the U of Chicago's corrupting influence never end?

 

[Willie]

You a religious conservative?

Perhaps you're right to call me out for dallying in this thread. I got swept up into what this thread has become.

 

[Stoked]

Perhaps you're right to call me out for dallying in this thread. I got swept up into what this thread has become.

lol.

Intentional or mistaken missing of the real question?

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Perhaps you're right to call me out for dallying in this thread. I got swept up into what this thread has become.

sure, sure.

Alternatively, it's great to see some new blood posting.

Keep it up.

 

[[size/HUGE] fixed [/size]]

suspicious much?

 

[Jazz Spazz]

suspicious much?

Heya /size. Why would you ask that?

What am I missing?

 

[[size/HUGE] fixed [/size]]

Heya /size. Why would you ask that?

What am I missing?

Like usual, I'm not sure.

What I haven't missed is the fact that a dozen posts from someone who doesn't seem to agree with you has made you suspicious.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Like usual, I'm not sure.

What I haven't missed is the fact that a dozen posts from someone who doesn't seem to agree with you has made you suspicious.

lol... like usual thanks for the supply of laffs.

Would explain it to you, but you're too smart for that and already know.
In fact, will you please email over my next 30 posts so I can get them ready to send?

tla

 

[[size/HUGE] fixed [/size]]

lol... like usual thanks for the supply of laffs.

Would explain it to you, but you're too smart for that and already know.
In fact, will you please email over my next 30 posts so I can get them ready to send?

tla

I'm starting to think you drink mouthwash.

 

[franklin]

On what basis do you believe that these effects disappear above a certain income level? I'm having problems figuring out why that would be true. It's possible it might be worse on a discrimination luxury cost basis.

Regarding the Thomas Sowell quotes above: Will the U of Chicago's corrupting influence never end?

No basis, but your bias is showing :}

 

[Jazz Spazz]

I'm starting to think you drink mouthwash.

I'm not smart enough to know. If you think so though, it must be true.
I'm sure deep down we are all mouthwash drinkers and don't even know it.
What's the best brand/type in your experience? If I'm going to do something I want to do it right.