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Moving down and McDermott (two separate threads, really)

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I don't necessarily mean these two subjects in conjunction, but I don't feel like making two threads.

If we can't move up and land one of the top 3 guys, how come nobody's talking about moving back? I mean, if we're eyeballing Gordon, don't we think we may be able to get him a little later and be able to pick something up in the process? I'd prefer to move back a spot or two, especially if someone like Exum is there and we're not interested, insuring that Gordon won't fall (not necessarily saying I want Gordon, but hypothetically if that's who we're looking at.)

Now for McDermott. Why no talk on this guy? I get that people like the whole "defensive identity" thing and we want to shy away from what would be considered a stereotypical Utah draft choice, but this guy is pretty good at scoring the ball. There are a lot of guys who light it up in their sophomore or senior years, which I understandably would share concern with. This guy has dominated every year of college, though, and his shooting numbers have been unbelievable without any drop or inconsistency year-to-year. I like this guy more than most people would. I think he could be a good settling piece for being a quasi go-to so long as you can have 2-3 other decent scorers (if perhaps Kanter or Burke could fit into those roles). Anyway, I'm sure I'll get flamed for this. Perhaps we could change the rules of the game to be like baseball with the DH, football with offensive and defensive teams or, my preference, like hockey where you can sub during live action, and just pick up both Gordon and McDermott.
 
My simple answer is that, in this draft, you pick as high as you can. While it is a deep draft, we need as much talent in as few players as possible. While we will likely be drafting three picks, at least one of them needs to be a starter or at least a sixth man. The further you trade down, the less likely that is to happen.

The last thing we need right now is a bunch of talented projects that will barely see the floor if we expect to make any noise this season.
 
Chris said:
My simple answer is that, in this draft, you pick as high as you can. While it is a deep draft, we need as much talent in as few players as possible. While we will likely be drafting three picks, at least one of them needs to be a starter or at least a sixth man. The further you trade down, the less likely that is to happen.

The last thing we need right now is a bunch of talented projects that will barely see the floor if we expect to make any noise this season.
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What I mean, though, is if we're set at taking somebody like Gordon (hypothetically), what difference would it make if we took him 5th vs. some other later pick?
 
If Vonleh is gone at 6, I really thing Celtics will be taking him. Say what you want about smokescreen, but w/ Vonleh gone, that means they'd be picking between Smart, Gordon, and Randle. Randle isn't in same tier, IMO. Smart isn't in same league as Rondo, and playing them together would be hard since neither is a shooter. So, by process of elimination, A-Gordon is there guy, unless they gamble on Saric. Everyone later is an obvious tier below. Trading back rarely works out for the team who does it.
 
Oh, and McBucketts is a reach before 10, IMO. Great college player, but he needs to prove he could survive as an NBA SG w/ his size. Athleticism raises serious questions his play needs to answer.
 
What's a couple of spots usually worth in a typical draft? The risk seems pretty big actually if you really like a player unless you just draft for the next team in line or something and make them add something in for the swap.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Moving back despite all the evidence showing that it never works?



You've gotta be kidding me.
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1. Aside from the Deron deal, what evidence?

2. Is said evidence relevant? It's almost like saying "No team has ever won a championship with a mulatto SF who came from Arizona after his freshman year."
 
McBuckets will find his niche in the league. He will bring more to the table than Korver, could possibly be Klay Thompson who has some basic driving skills and has "passable defense" at the wings. If asked before the season if we should tank the season for either of those two players though, you would answer no.
 
infection said:
1. Aside from the Deron deal, what evidence?

2. Is said evidence relevant? It's almost like saying "No team has ever won a championship with a mulatto SF who came from Arizona after his freshman year."
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How about the trade that sent Aldridge (2nd pick by Bulls) for Thomas (4th pick by POR)? Pretty sure where were others as well just too lazy to look them up right now.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
How about the trade that sent Aldridge (2nd pick by Bulls) for Thomas (4th pick by POR)? Pretty sure where were others as well just too lazy to look them up right now.
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Well if you're too lazy to look it up and can only cite two examples, then I'd hold off on using phrases like "despite all the evidence".
 
infection said:
What I mean, though, is if we're set at taking somebody like Gordon (hypothetically), what difference would it make if we took him 5th vs. some other later pick?
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So how are the Jazz going to get another pick? There is a chance that Gordon won't make it past LA at #7 so if you like Gordon and you are the Jazz you need to take him at #5.
 
cowhide said:
So how are the Jazz going to get another pick? There is a chance that Gordon won't make it past LA at #7 so if you like Gordon and you are the Jazz you need to take him at #5.
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This.


LoL.. Infection is 'dreaming' again that he magically got another lottery pick.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Then why don't you come up with an example where "trading down" had been successful?
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Because I wasn't the one who made the claim that "all te evidence" shows this. The onus is on you.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
This.


LoL.. Infection is 'dreaming' again that he magically got another lottery pick.
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So if we trade down with Boston or LA, what does that have to do with having another lottery pick?
 
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