Which game was this?
https://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?clubcode=LIE&gamecode=162&pcode=000898
I don't see it anywhere online.
2011 draft.....
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Which game was this?
https://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?clubcode=LIE&gamecode=162&pcode=000898
I don't see it anywhere online.
Re: Kanter's not Jefferson because he might be a bad defender:
Jefferson isn't a good defender either. He blocks some shots, he does good with his assignment, but his awareness is poor, his general adherence to a scheme is poor, and his rotations are slow and sloppy. Long story short, his team defense is not up to par. There's a reason the Collins twins and Kurt Thomas are still getting work, and it's not because they produce numbers.
I firmly believe that if a player has good fundamentals and is sharp that they can accomplish a lot on either side of the ball. Jefferson probably has a length advantage over Kanter, but I continue to have my doubts about the guy's general and basketball intelligence and I'm hoping Kanter has those attributes if the Jazz draft him because he doesn't have the greatest physical tools for the job besides maybe holding down the fort in the low-post since he's a tank.
Jefferson isn't a good defender either. He blocks some shots, he does good with his assignment, but his awareness is poor, his general adherence to a scheme is poor, and his rotations are slow and sloppy. Long story short, his team defense is not up to par. There's a reason the Collins twins and Kurt Thomas are still getting work, and it's not because they produce numbers.
I firmly believe that if a player has good fundamentals and is sharp that they can accomplish a lot on either side of the ball. Jefferson probably has a length advantage over Kanter, but I continue to have my doubts about the guy's general and basketball intelligence and I'm hoping Kanter has those attributes if the Jazz draft him because he doesn't have the greatest physical tools for the job besides maybe holding down the fort in the low-post since he's a tank.
I'd be happy with that draft. The more I hear about Leonard the more I like him. Plus the 12 pick seems like a real crapshoot this year, and he seems as good as any at that pick.
The player I want least is Kanter. People like him because he had one good game.
Hantlers
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No, for the most part people like him because he has great skills along with great fundamentals, showing that he is intelligent. He also doesn't seem to have character issues. I fail to see what isn't good about those things. If you would like to offer some reasonable explanations as to why you don't think he is a good fit for the Utah Jazz I would love to hear them. Along with who you would like to draft.
Hantlers
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I'm going to be honest, I've only seen him play against BYU and in the tournament, so I haven't really seen very much of him. However what I did see, I liked. He is by no means a finished project, has potential but most importantly is a hard worker. Finding a mixture of athleticism with work ethic is not something you see a lot.
billyshelby
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Since Jimmer hasn't been brought up in about 10 minutes, I've got a theory why the Jazz won't draft Jimmer (and yeah, it's probably a little biased):
Drafting Jimmer creates a sideshow. With everything a little volatile right now, I doubt KOC wants the headache of daily media scrutiny about how Jimmer's doing, when Jimmer's going to play, why isn't Jimmer playing, should Jimmer be benched, should Jimmer get more minutes, how does Jimmer feel, how does he feel about how he feels, how do you feel about how he feels.
A stable team like we used to have could probably have absorbed this. Next year's team needs as few distractions as possible.
Drafting Jimmer creates a sideshow. With everything a little volatile right now, I doubt KOC wants the headache of daily media scrutiny about how Jimmer's doing, when Jimmer's going to play, why isn't Jimmer playing, should Jimmer be benched, should Jimmer get more minutes, how does Jimmer feel, how does he feel about how he feels, how do you feel about how he feels.
A stable team like we used to have could probably have absorbed this. Next year's team needs as few distractions as possible.
Great skills and fundamentals as proven at the High School level?
He isn't a sure thing at all. Not to mention the injury concerns about his knees.
Hmm that is a good thought I haven't heard anywhere else before.
billyshelby
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You're right. I should have said I don't believe KOC wants to subject himself to the Jimmer sideshow entirely. In other words, I don't think he'll draft Jimmer at 12 even if he's BPA on the Jazz board for this reason. The difference in BPA at that point is too marginal to deal with all other stuff.
Then why did KOC draft Hayward, don't get me wrong I love Hayward and I am glad that KOC picked him, but whenever he did pick him didn't he get the "Utah only drafts white guys" and "he wasn't the BPA, it was a reach"? The Jazz were a lock to draft Ed Davis if he was available at #9, heck I was expecting to hear his name called, but KOC went against everybody and took a reach to draft Hayward.
For some reason I think KOC is going to draft Jimmer Fredette at #6 over someone like Kemba Walker or Brandon Knight who were available too. To tell you the truth I wouldn't mind seeing Jimmer on the Jazz I think everyone kind of wants to see Jimmer play for the Jazz the only question is will the Jazz take him? What if he has a great combine? What if he shows some great defense? What if he shows great footwork and some speed?
billyshelby
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The Hayward pick was booed, right? This isn't a racial issue. It's not remotely the same. Jimmer on any other team in the country is whatever. Jimmer on the Jazz is a circus.
Regarding Jimmer's defense:
Deron Williams is a pretty good defensive point guard right?
Nobody really knows if he is a bad or a good defender right now, so we will see.
Deron Williams is a pretty good defensive point guard right?
Nobody really knows if he is a bad or a good defender right now, so we will see.
No bigger circus than when Derrick Rose, who is from Chicago, was drafted by the Bulls or when LeBron, who is from Akron, Ohio, was drafted straight out of high school by the Cavaliers. He would be a player that literally the entire state could rally behind. Something like this would be unprecedented in Jazz history. IMO, the Jazz's primary need in this draft is at point guard, as I don't think that Devin Harris is our answer at that position. However, I really do feel that we are set at the other four positions (SG: Gordon Hayward, SF: Paul Millsap, PF: Derrick Favors, C: Al Jefferson) as far as starters go. We really just need a starting point guard and bench depth to be a serious contender.
Fishsticks
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Please, please stop with this! Your inasnity is making me insane!
"Jimmer-Maniac" actually says it all.
P.S. Not literally everyone here could rally behind drafting Jimmer. The way I see it, he's a poor/white-man's Mormon Jo Bro Gilbert Arenas without the athleticism. At best. I don't care for that and I am ****ing sick of hearing about the kid. It's like David Lee mania but 100 times worse.
P.S. Not literally everyone here could rally behind drafting Jimmer. The way I see it, he's a poor/white-man's Mormon Jo Bro Gilbert Arenas without the athleticism. At best. I don't care for that and I am ****ing sick of hearing about the kid. It's like David Lee mania but 100 times worse.
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I'd take Brandon Knight, Biyombo, Motienjuas, Terrence Jones, and most players projected to be in the #6 range over Kanter.
I'm still holding out for the #1 overall pick for Irving though.
Gyp Rosetti
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I wouldn't. After watching that video on Kanter that Archie posted, it's clear he's light years ahead of any of the other Euros. Even if he only measures in at 6'10", the dude looks silkier and quicker than Memo shooting from downtown (albeit, college/int'l three), can rebound the hell out of the ball, has some great (and quick) post moves (that he can start from outside and penetrate in as he's got a very good handle for such a big), and is big as hell, and oh yeah, young and not soft like those other Charmin products. Is his defense possibly questionable? Yes. But he's big and physical and we can just about bet his defense is still waaaaay better than any Euro, i.e. Motienjuas. Jones and Knight, as much as I like their potential and athleticism, have nothing special about their game that will necessarily translate to the NBA and are far more flawed as I see it. I am VERY sold on Kanter and holding out hope other teams feel like you.
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With all the love that Leonard has been getting for being a defensive-minded SF, why has no one mentioned Chris Singleton??
2009-2010 ACC defensive player of the year, 6-foot-9 small forward, averaged 13.1 points, 6.8 rebounds, 2.0 steals and 1.5 blocks as a junior, not to mention shooting 36.8% from 3 and 46.6% if his 2point attempts. Im afraid Leonard might amount to a Brewer-esque player, another "defensive-specialist" with a weak jumpshot.
2009-2010 ACC defensive player of the year, 6-foot-9 small forward, averaged 13.1 points, 6.8 rebounds, 2.0 steals and 1.5 blocks as a junior, not to mention shooting 36.8% from 3 and 46.6% if his 2point attempts. Im afraid Leonard might amount to a Brewer-esque player, another "defensive-specialist" with a weak jumpshot.