2011 draft.....

[underKANTER]

my enes kanter scouting report:

+ (strength):
soft hands
incredible offensive player... does it all at does it well... great inside-outside game
solid body frame
incredible rebounder
post-moves... patience
shooting... almost mechanic from midrange... has solid range and can hit the three constantly
size... posseses brute strength
passing... reads double teams well
footwork is fantastic, very light on his feet
agil and runs the court well for a player his size
basketball iq... nice fundamentals
plays above his age... incredibly skilled and polished... quite nba-ready... could imediately have an impact
dominated every competition he played against... high motor and great character guy
has added so much to his game and will only become better with time and his work-ethic

- (weakness):
not the best shot-blocker, but could become an average or slightly below average shot blocker due to his timing rather than his average or slightly above average athleticizm
average defensive player because of lack of elite athleticizm and lateral mobility, will have problems guarding perimeter oriented and too athletic and strong big men
knees
hasn't constantly played for a while now which could have hurt his game

Ratings:

Athleticizm, Quickness: 7
Size: 9
Strength: 9

Shooting: 10
Post Skills: 10
Passing, IQ, Fundamentals: 10

Rebounding: 10
Defense: 6

NBA-Ready: 9
Potential: 10

OVERALL: 90
(all-star-caliber, 90 out of 100)

what can you expect?

kanter should become an all-star caliber player, even if he won't make it annualy. a 20-10 player for the future, at worst a 16 - 8 player. will take him 2-3 years to become an elite center, but he is more of a power forward on offense but more like a center on defense. plays similiar to al horford, or a bit like a bigger zach randolph but with some more energy on the defensive end. if he played in college this year, he would be the obvious first pick in this draft. was a 6-11 and 261 pounds manchild with a 7-1 wingspan quite a while ago, but is still 18. expect him to grow a little bit and become a 6-11 or 7-0 player in the range of 270 - 275 lbs with a wingspan of 7-2. similar meassurements to cousins, but won't have his 9'5 reach.

 

[r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t]

only took a dozen or so tries.

 

[NUMBERICA]

The downside is he is 21 so you can't really hope that he suddenly becomes a passing point guard. So do we want a scorer/combo guard at 12?

4.5 APG and 6.0 APG (numbers from the year previous) are not bad numbers for the NCAA. If Jimmer Fredette can use every possession that he's in the game for, average fewer assists, more turnovers, and still be compared to Steve Nash and John Stockton, why can't this guy be considered a passer?

 

[NUMBERICA]

Also, if we want to keep talking about Jimmer v Jackson, Jackson shoots a better percentage from 2, 3, and scored more PPS. I understand Jimmer's job was to score 30 per game, but I don't particularly want my PG to try to be the leading scorer on the team.

 

[mellow]

Nets hold NBA Combine Saturday & Sunday. 27 teams are coming..... Don't know if the Jazz are invited.
https://www.nypost.com/p/sports/net..._VVkuEgjV9HlQxkfTT8APUM?CMP=OTC-rss&FEEDNAME=

List of Players expected to attend
https://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/05/updated-player-list-for-nets-nba-combine/

Remember players have to declare they intend to return to school to the NCAA by Sunday.
This Combine is mostly 2nd rounders and some late 1st rounders.

The Chicago Combine (May 18-22) is where the top 40 players or so are invited, measured, interviewed, tested etc....

 

[billyshelby]

Downside to Jackson is he was a terrible shooter (from deep) the first two years of college. Upside to Jackson is BC played the flex under Skinner which means he'd adapt to our offense very easily (if that's what we're still going to run.) He's a seriously good rebounder and all around playmaker. But definitely more of a combo guard than a true point.

 

[The Thriller]

only took a dozen or so tries.

If that happens I hope the Jazz know that they see a lot of "fans" in green seat costumes next year.

I'd rather see Bismack at 6 and Burks at 12.

Not some soft euro that's as thin as a rail at 6 when we could easily resign one (AK) and another decent athlete who refuses to play defense at 12 when we could easily pickup CJ's option.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Downside to Jackson is he was a terrible shooter (from deep) the first two years of college. Upside to Jackson is BC played the flex under Skinner which means he'd adapt to our offense very easily (if that's what we're still going to run.) He's a seriously good rebounder and all around playmaker. But definitely more of a combo guard than a true point.

His shooting last year was not a small sample size. Shooting 42% on 5 3-pointers a game qualifies as dead-eye from that range. Him playing under the flex is a MASSIVE plus too. If he can play off-ball and the Jazz are trying to move toward an emphasis on multiple ballhandlers, then it may be just as well. In terms of body and efficiency, Jackson seems a hell of a lot more legit as a combo than Knight does.

An aside; the idea of trading the 12 down to late firsts/early seconds and then grabbing Jackson and Charles Jenkins interests me. If the team is to pursue the idea of faster, more versatile back-courts instead of throwing all of their eggs in the PG basket like they have in the past, having two efficient, versatile, combo guards willing and capable to make the pass can either turn into an interesting 1/2 rotation, or you are allowed to try both of them out and see who pans out better.

 

[billyshelby]

His shooting last year was not a small sample size. Shooting 42% on 5 3-pointers a game qualifies as dead-eye from that range. Him playing under the flex is a MASSIVE plus too. If he can play off-ball and the Jazz are trying to move toward an emphasis on multiple ballhandlers, then it may be just as well. In terms of body and efficiency, Jackson seems a hell of a lot more legit as a combo than Knight does.

An aside; the idea of trading the 12 down to late firsts/early seconds and then grabbing Jackson and Charles Jenkins interests me. If the team is to pursue the idea of faster, more versatile back-courts instead of throwing all of their eggs in the PG basket like they have in the past, having two efficient, versatile, combo guards willing and capable to make the pass can either turn into an interesting 1/2 rotation, or you are allowed to try both of them out and see who pans out better.

Guys who suddenly become great shooters scare me no matter how big the sample. It's a concern, not a dealbreaker, but you want to try and understand why he had such a sharp spike in his outside shooting ability.

I agree completely that KOC will/should dangle the 12 to move back and/or out of the draft entirely after the 6.

 

[billyshelby]

Also, I don't think most people view Knight as a combo guard. If they do, he won't go 6. If he goes 6, it's because KOC sees him as a longterm point.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

If Irving, Williams, Kanter, Knight and Burks are all gone, I would take Terrence Jones or trade down. I really like this kid from BC, Singleton (?) from FSU, Parsons from UF and a couple other guys in the late 1st or early 2nd round.

 

[r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t]

Not some soft euro that's as thin as a rail at 6 when we could easily resign one (AK) and another decent athlete who refuses to play defense at 12 when we could easily pickup CJ's option.

uh, look more closely... at the Jazz picks this time.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

uh, look more closely... at the Jazz picks this time.

uh, he did.

 

[r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t]

uh, he did.

Please look (yet) again. The image is a screenshot of the ESPN lottery/draft simulator.

https://espn.go.com/nba/lottery2011/mockdraft

After just a few tries, I managed to get both Jazz picks into the top three. It predicted Irving to the Jazz at #1 and Kanter to the Jazz at #3.

Does that help?

 

[NUMBERICA]

Guys who suddenly become great shooters scare me no matter how big the sample. It's a concern, not a dealbreaker, but you want to try and understand why he had such a sharp spike in his outside shooting ability.

I agree completely that KOC will/should dangle the 12 to move back and/or out of the draft entirely after the 6.

Has your general opinion changed on this matter, or do you believe that Brewer turning into Rip Hamilton with no evidence at all is more likely than a kid that has actually shot well turning into a kid that can shoot well?

P.S. I'm being an *******.

 

[billyshelby]

Has your general opinion changed on this matter, or do you believe that Brewer turning into Rip Hamilton with no evidence at all is more likely than a kid that has actually shot well turning into a kid that can shoot well?

P.S. I'm being an *******.

I'll play along anyway. I never compared Brewer to Rip, shooting or otherwise. The comparison I made of our young wings at the time was Brewer to Prince; Miles to Hamilton. I thought Brewer could turn into a defensive ace like Prince, and offensively he could learn to be an effective enough jumpshooter to accentuate his slashing game. With Miles, I expected him to shoot a lot better than he has. I still do. But I don't think either Brewer or Miles are going to be as good as Prince or Hamilton in their primes. Well, I still think Miles has a shot. But Brewer's inability to develop a jumper leads me to believe he's going to be a defensive specialist off the bench the rest of his career.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

The downside is he is 21 so you can't really hope that he suddenly becomes a passing point guard. So do we want a scorer/combo guard at 12?

I think he'll be like Ray Felton or Roddy Beaubois. Not bad for a 3rd guard if we're into keeping Harris.

 

[Hantlers]

As most of you know, I often change my opinion rapidly. But I'm bored, am getting sick of waiting for the lottery and feel like typing something to make myself feel more important. Deal with it. So as of right now, at our current selections of #6 and #12, here are the two players I want, why I want them, and how I think they will make our team better.

#6 -Enes Kanter

I'm gonna be honest, I don't actually think he'll be here. He is, IMO, after Kyrie Irving and kind of Derrick Williams the one sure fire player in this draft. He will succeed, I have absolutely no doubt in that. His offensive polish is off the charts, anytime the majority of scouts say that an 18 year old plays with the mentality of somebody who is in their 30's, that is a player you want. But the reason I want him over Biyombo and others (Knight, etc...I'll explain later) is because he will improve our team more. With a front court of Kanter and Favors we have a player in Kanter who has a mid-range game, low-post game, good passer and good post moves who will have good position on defense but never be a game changer there. We also have Favors who is starting to develop a low-post game, but as of right now does not have a consistent mid-range shot. I personally think that to run an effective offense you need a High-Low post game...Kanter and Favors does that.

Obviously a common complain to Kanter is that we have a similar player in Jefferson. Absolutely true. But....Kanter is a younger and IMO, better offensive player than Jefferson. So my idea is to draft Kanter, develop him under Jefferson for a year and then use Jefferson as a trading chip to get a needed player (most likely PG). Reason I don't want Knight is because well....we don't need a 6'3-6'4 combo guard, we need a point guard. Personally, I think Devin Harris is a better PG than Knight. I'll probably delve into this more in a later post, this is already long as hell and I'm barely half-way through. Reason I am wary of Biyombo (and yes, I know I have spoken highly of him before) is because I just don't think he matches well with Favors. With him and Favors we have two players who pre-dominantly play in the low-post. When Detroit had Ben Wallace they had Rasheed Wallace who could stretch the floor and McDyess who could hit a mid-range shot (If I'm missing players please inform me, my memory is shady). Essentially, I think Kanter improves our team the most out of the likely players at #6.

#12 -Kawhi Leonard

I already know what you're thinking....another defensive minded SF who is limited offensively. Yep, I'm going there. This isn't just about picking the best player, but picking the player that will help our team the most. Important to remember. You NEED players like this to win. He will bring intensity and toughness to a lineup that desperately needs it. I know he often gets compared to Shawn Marion, but IMO, he's a more athletic/weaker version of Ron Artest without the mental issues. He is absolutely not a good shooter right now. But he has a tremendous work ethic, and the potential to improve his shot. He'll obviously never be Kyle Korver/Reggie Miller, but his defense is more important to me than that. I honestly don't think you can win championships without players like this. The reason I want him over Alec Burks is because of Hayward. Burks is a 2, so is Hayward. I think a lineup with Burks at 2 and Hayward at 3 is much weaker than Hayward at 2 and Leonard at 3. Jimmer is Jimmer....I don't want him.

Now just for a minute, picture a lineup of:

PG: Devin Harris
SG: Gordan Hayward
SF: Kawhi Leonard
PF: Derrick Favors
C: Al Jefferson/Enes Kanter

By no means is that a championship or probably even playoff team next year, but damnit, it will be. Just the thought of a team like that excites the hell out of me.

And now is the end of my long winded draft thoughts in which apparently I think I know something about the sport of basketball (I don't, trust me).
If you read this, I'm sorry I wasted your time (I'm actually not).

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

I like where your head's at Hantlers.

By chance, how many times did you see Kawhi play this year?

 

[Qman]

As most of you know, I often change my opinion rapidly. But I'm bored, am getting sick of waiting for the lottery and feel like typing something to make myself feel more important. Deal with it. So as of right now, at our current selections of #6 and #12, here are the two players I want, why I want them, and how I think they will make our team better.

#6 -Enes Kanter

I'm gonna be honest, I don't actually think he'll be here. He is, IMO, after Kyrie Irving and kind of Derrick Williams the one sure fire player in this draft. He will succeed, I have absolutely no doubt in that. His offensive polish is off the charts, anytime the majority of scouts say that an 18 year old plays with the mentality of somebody who is in their 30's, that is a player you want. But the reason I want him over Biyombo and others (Knight, etc...I'll explain later) is because he will improve our team more. With a front court of Kanter and Favors we have a player in Kanter who has a mid-range game, low-post game, good passer and good post moves who will have good position on defense but never be a game changer there. We also have Favors who is starting to develop a low-post game, but as of right now does not have a consistent mid-range shot. I personally think that to run an effective offense you need a High-Low post game...Kanter and Favors does that.

Obviously a common complain to Kanter is that we have a similar player in Jefferson. Absolutely true. But....Kanter is a younger and IMO, better offensive player than Jefferson. So my idea is to draft Kanter, develop him under Jefferson for a year and then use Jefferson as a trading chip to get a needed player (most likely PG). Reason I don't want Knight is because well....we don't need a 6'3-6'4 combo guard, we need a point guard. Personally, I think Devin Harris is a better PG than Knight. I'll probably delve into this more in a later post, this is already long as hell and I'm barely half-way through. Reason I am wary of Biyombo (and yes, I know I have spoken highly of him before) is because I just don't think he matches well with Favors. With him and Favors we have two players who pre-dominantly play in the low-post. When Detroit had Ben Wallace they had Rasheed Wallace who could stretch the floor and McDyess who could hit a mid-range shot (If I'm missing players please inform me, my memory is shady). Essentially, I think Kanter improves our team the most out of the likely players at #6.

#12 -Kawhi Leonard

I already know what you're thinking....another defensive minded SF who is limited offensively. Yep, I'm going there. This isn't just about picking the best player, but picking the player that will help our team the most. Important to remember. You NEED players like this to win. He will bring intensity and toughness to a lineup that desperately needs it. I know he often gets compared to Shawn Marion, but IMO, he's a more athletic/weaker version of Ron Artest without the mental issues. He is absolutely not a good shooter right now. But he has a tremendous work ethic, and the potential to improve his shot. He'll obviously never be Kyle Korver/Reggie Miller, but his defense is more important to me than that. I honestly don't think you can win championships without players like this. The reason I want him over Alec Burks is because of Hayward. Burks is a 2, so is Hayward. I think a lineup with Burks at 2 and Hayward at 3 is much weaker than Hayward at 2 and Leonard at 3. Jimmer is Jimmer....I don't want him.

Now just for a minute, picture a lineup of:

PG: Devin Harris
SG: Gordan Hayward
SF: Kawhi Leonard
PF: Derrick Favors
C: Al Jefferson/Enes Kanter

By no means is that a championship or probably even playoff team next year, but damnit, it will be. Just the thought of a team like that excites the hell out of me.

And now is the end of my long winded draft thoughts in which apparently I think I know something about the sport of basketball (I don't, trust me).
If you read this, I'm sorry I wasted your time (I'm actually not).

I have to say I like Kawhi next to Hayward or in the wing rotation.

But I have to say the Kanter/Jefferson comparision is not very good one. Kanter is a 6'10" power big with quick feet, a polished offensive game and some good rebounding ability. There are major questions about his defensive abilities and if he has the length to play help defense as a big. That sounds a lot like Boozer to me. I like Kanter okay but lets be real about what his impact would be.

On the Biyombo thing- he is a big risk but he fits in just fine next to Favors. Favors has a jumper and a developing face-up/post game. When is it a problem to have two good defensive bigs?