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2011 draft.....

The Thriller said:
No one said that we should pass on Irving or Dwill2 dumbass.

But do you really think we're going to be in the top 2?

How about you join the rest of us in reality and understand that we're probably picking #6.
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join you in reality? LMFAO

the chances of #6 ending up in the top 3 are not ridiculously low, and that would ENTIRELY change your big-man-or-bust attitude that is smelling a lot like Jack-or-bust from a few years back. My point is that you need to calm the **** down for a few weeks and think in conditional statements... you know, the 'if, ... then,' variety.

Okay, so I overplayed my hand (*** for tat) by referencing DWill2 and Irving, but your position leaves Knight and Walker in the ****ing ditch, which is stupid as hell. But, what's new?
 
Xthren said:
As much as I hate to admit but I agree with thriller but until the balls drop we are picking 6th. So why think otherwise?
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how the hell did this guy go from neg rep points and a red light to a rep power of 4 in a couple of weeks? fishy.
 
Hypothetical situation, Minnesota drafts Irving, Cleveland drafts Williams, Toronto drafts Kanter, Washington drafts Biyombo, and Sacramento drafts Walker.

Who would you want the Jazz to take at #6?
 
Xthren said:
So many things to say to this, most would get me banded. Oh well I'll let you use your imagination.
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This definitely says more about you than it does about me. Why don't we get some fellas with some quality experience to weigh in on this fishy topic.
 
Ok, I watched Knight in the tourney and while he made some clutch shots and I think he'll be pretty good I just didn't see anything amazing. Does someone want to enlighten me?

I could be totally wrong and Knight might become the next Michael Jordan but I really doubt it. Even if he just becomes a pretty good PG like say, Jameer Nelson, I think I'd rather take a chance on a guy at a different position. I mean, like OGat said - the Jazz already have Harris. And to those that want Knight because he's a combo guard and can play the 2 - do we really want a 6'3" SG taking minutes from 6'8" Hayward? ...I mean size is pretty awesome.

I do think that the Jazz get more value in drafting size rather than drafting a PG that looks like he MIGHT be better than Harris. It could turn out horribly, sure. Kanter could be the second coming of Borschardt. But he could also be a more physical Dirk Nowitzki. That quite a range I know but we're gambling here and I'd rather take that gamble (or a less risky one in Bismack) than draft a pretty good, yet superfluous, PG.

AND I do adhere to the POV that you don't need a top tier PG to win a title, so I'm not inclined to waste a high draft pick on one unless it's a slam dunk. (when the Jazz win the 1st pick we'll start debating the Kyrie conundrum).

ALSO, the Jazz have draft picks in 2012 and it seems like there are always decent PGs if we wanna use a pick on one then. Again, Harris is the starter next year.

AND ONE MORE THING - the Jazz are going to draft Fredette this year. There's no getting around that (unless of course the Jazz win the lottery etc). So this next year the Jazz can evaluate him and see if he will become the next Nash or House. And that information will help them determine who to draft in 2012. Drafting Knight this year just doesn't seem a wise move to me.
 
Cousinsfan11 said:
Hypothetical situation, Minnesota drafts Irving, Cleveland drafts Williams, Toronto drafts Kanter, Washington drafts Biyombo, and Sacramento drafts Walker.

Who would you want the Jazz to take at #6?
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yo, Bentley, see above. This is what the Knight posts were in response to.
 
BENTLEY said:
Ok, I watched Knight in the tourney and while he made some clutch shots and I think he'll be pretty good I just didn't see anything amazing. Does someone want to enlighten me?

I could be totally wrong and Knight might become the next Michael Jordan but I really doubt it. Even if he just becomes a pretty good PG like say, Jameer Nelson, I think I'd rather take a chance on a guy at a different position. I mean, like OGat said - the Jazz already have Harris. And to those that want Knight because he's a combo guard and can play the 2 - do we really want a 6'3" SG taking minutes from 6'8" Hayward? ...I mean size is pretty awesome.

I do think that the Jazz get more value in drafting size rather than drafting a PG that looks like he MIGHT be better than Harris. It could turn out horribly, sure. Kanter could be the second coming of Borschardt. But he could also be a more physical Dirk Nowitzki. That quite a range I know but we're gambling here and I'd rather take that gamble (or a less risky one in Bismack) than draft a pretty good, yet superfluous, PG.

AND I do adhere to the POV that you don't need a top tier PG to win a title, so I'm not inclined to waste a high draft pick on one unless it's a slam dunk. (when the Jazz win the 1st pick we'll start debating the Kyrie conundrum).

ALSO, the Jazz have draft picks in 2012 and it seems like there are always decent PGs if we wanna use a pick on one then. Again, Harris is the starter next year.

AND ONE MORE THING - the Jazz are going to draft Fredette this year. There's no getting around that (unless of course the Jazz win the lottery etc). So this next year the Jazz can evaluate him and see if he will become the next Nash or House. And that information will help them determine who to draft in 2012. Drafting Knight this year just doesn't seem a wise move to me.
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Took the words right out of my mouth. Although the kanter nowitzki is a bad comparison. I think love is a perfect comparison.

Now if t jones is still on the board at 12 then I hope the jazz would take him over Jimmer.
 
NAOS said:
yo, Bentley, see above. This is what the Knight posts were in response to.
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Ok, so Irving, Williams, Kanter, Biyombo, and Walker are off the board. This leaves me with:

Valanciunas, Knight, Vesely, Donatas, T. Jones, or someone they could get at 12. Look, I understand why many of you opt for Knight here. He really may be BPA. But I'd probably go with one of the foreigners. Last year I was kinda smitten with Donatas. But this year I'd probably opt for the skinny defense of Valanciunas over skinny offense of Donatas. But this is hard. Great hypothetical question. I absolutely hate it.
 
One more thing. Is Knight that much better than Fredette? He's one inch taller, faster and more athletic but not lightning fast, and his range is inferior. I think they're very different but their respective strengths kinda break even.
So which seems better:

Knight at 6 and (Burks, Hamilton, K. Thompson, T. Thompson, N. Smith) at 12
or
(Kanter, Bismack, Valanciunas, Vesely, Donatas) at 6 and Fredette at 12.
 
KrazeeEyezKilla said:
Agreed.
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I take this back. It may be reaching but I'd strongly consider going with Terrence Jones to play the 3. He's long, led the SEC in rebounding (I think) with 8.8 per game, had almost two blocks a game, over a steal a game, and 1.6 assists per game (not bad) and can play strong defense. He also shot a higher percentage from the floor than Knight. I know it's apples to oranges and Jones largely played the 4 at UK but still...he also shot over 32% from three which isn't terrible for a frosh who supposedly can't shoot. When it mattered most, in the NCAA tourney, he shot 55% from three going 5 of 9.

In short, he has the length and athleticism to play in today's NBA and we need that. He also plays defense, rebounds, blocks shots, and can pass so he's bot some one-dimensional player. Can he shoot? Not great. But he's shown he can decently enough for a college freshman and I see no reason a kid can't improve if he works hard. Look at Gordon this year compared to his college career.

I think they'd compliment one another very well on the wings.
 
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