BENTLEY
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Well, maybe. Is that the best you can get for Millsap? Lopez fills a need and Millsap is undersized in the Jazz PF logjam. But Millsap is really good so I'm still hesitant.
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Well, maybe. Is that the best you can get for Millsap? Lopez fills a need and Millsap is undersized in the Jazz PF logjam. But Millsap is really good so I'm still hesitant.
He looks at least as good as Roddy Beaubois.
As long as he doesn't furk things up...
vslice02
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Back to that Barnes/Jones comparison, IMO Barnes is clearly head-and-shoulders above Jones - because Barnes has obvious potential to be an elite scorer and top-20 player in the NBA. And he seems to have his head screwed on right.
However in this draft, I think the Jazz could to alot worse than Terrance Jones at #6. 6-8, explosive, can handle - basically can do a little bit of everything. Only 19, if he becomes proficient in one or two areas he could be a stud at SF.
However in this draft, I think the Jazz could to alot worse than Terrance Jones at #6. 6-8, explosive, can handle - basically can do a little bit of everything. Only 19, if he becomes proficient in one or two areas he could be a stud at SF.
Gyp Rosetti
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I agree. It's between Bimbo and Jones for me at #6. And while I love Bimbo's highlights and apparent standing reach and defensive prowess, I think I may be leaning toward Jones for the reasons you mentioned. Add in the fact that there's a chance that Bimbo could slip to #12 and that puts it over the top for me to take Jones at #6 right now.
While you're right, I see a lot of CJ Miles/bad Lamar Odom potential there. And that's a ****ing headache.
Gyp Rosetti
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So who would you take?
If the Jazz get the 2nd pick somehow and are practically forced to take Williams, then this isn't bad. The thing I like about Williams the least are the Millsap implications. Can you really afford to have two players so similar and both being tweener-ish? Can you justify anyone else with the 2nd pick? And at the same time, can you afford to get rid of a proven very good player for what might be Evan Turner 2.0?
Roll of the dice.
If the Jazz get the 2nd pick somehow and are practically forced to take Williams, then this isn't bad. The thing I like about Williams the least are the Millsap implications. Can you really afford to have two players so similar and both being tweener-ish? Can you justify anyone else with the 2nd pick? And at the same time, can you afford to get rid of a proven very good player for what might be Evan Turner 2.0?
Roll of the dice.
vslice02
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Definitely agree about the "LA-Clipper Lamar Odom" parallels. The questions about his "motor" definitely scare me - but then again people were questioning Favors' motor coming out of Ga Tech. Jones definitely would have more structure here than Odom did w/LAC (bunch of young guys and Gentry ran a pretty loose ship there). Disagree on the CJ-comparison (CJ was a 2nd-round pick who barely saw PT his first 2 1/2 seasons of his career).
This is such a weak draft there just aren't many "clean prospects" so every guy is going to have some substantial flaws. Again it comes back to the dilemna of taking the guy who probably can be a solid but not great player - or a guy with tons of potential who may fizzle out or who may explode - and in this crapshoot I have no idea what the correct approach should be.
The Jazz could try to find another team in the lottery who really wants Williams, make them adsorb Okur's contract for something that expires this year and their lottery pick.
Gyp Rosetti
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So similar? Have you watched Williams play? Millsap has none of the ability to create off the dribble, go to the line in bunches, and range that Williams has. They're about the same height and can both rebound. That's about it.
Biyombo if he's there. Not sure if he isn't. I'd seriously consider Jones there if Biyombo's taken. I don't want any part of a high pick on a PG-ish player unless it's Irving, though. I'd consider Kanter. Valanciunas doesn't project to be much more than maybe a rich man's Biedrins, and that doesn't excite me.
Gyp Rosetti
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Okay, fair enough.
Millsap gets to the line at a good rate IN THE NBA. Millsap's become a good jumpshooter IN THE NBA. He's good from the high-post off the dribble or not IN THE NBA. Williams could be a smart, efficient Michael Beasley/Antawn Jamison or he could be Ryan Gomes. We really don't know. The fact that he's not terribly athletic or a physical specimen of any kind and doesn't appear to have a certain NBA position raise real questions, though, besides that one day my gut had a freak-out and told me that Williams might have a hard time in the NBA.
But I obviously can be very wrong there. Again, roll of the dice.
Jazz4ever
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Valenciunas is Biedrins with a jump shot. That's actually one heck of a player. 92% FT shooter, would lead the NBA. No reason to believe it won't translate into a knock down mid range game. The Jazz will have to move up to get Jonas though, he will probably not be there at 6. So not going to waste too much time analyzing him.
Williams is pretty athletic.
BENTLEY
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I pretty much agree with every bit of this except I'm still gathering info on Valanciunas so he's still a possibility in my mind. DX has him rated so high I gotta keep giving him a 5th, 6th, 7th look....