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Me not. I would draft Kanter, because he's still the big unknown and that's why all underrate him. I could follow him a litte bit more, because I'm from Europe. He will be the better player of the two IMO. I think he would compliment Bynums or Boguts game better than Favors and that's why I would start him over Favors. But Favors could still get 30 minutes off the bench. Believe me, if Kanter wasn't screwed by the NCAA and could actually play, you all would go nuts over him and he would be the obvious first pick. Or why do you think he is still predicted to go third pick without playing this season?
 
Under Kanter- I don't know what's worse. Your trade offers or your extreme love of Kanter. Kanter looks decent but not good enough to start over Favors.

I can't believe one that you would want Favors gone and two to trade him for freakin garbage ***** in Ridnour and Webster
 
Under Kanter- I don't know what's worse. Your trade offers or your extreme love of Kanter. Kanter looks decent but not good enough to start over Favors.

I can't believe one that you would want Favors gone and two to trade him for freakin garbage ***** in Ridnour and Webster

Dude, didnt you hear that Kanter scored 32 points in one game against a bunch of 18 year olds???????? He should be MVP
 
Kanter screams Kosta Koufus to me.

Remember folks, he too was projected to be one of the best big men in the lottery a few years ago.

Of course, these people want us to ignore the obvious problems he has, inability to defend, problems with knees, and lack of jumping ability. But that's okay, cuz Kanter kicks ***, just like Boom Bitches...
 
Kanter screams Kosta Koufus to me.

Remember folks, he too was projected to be one of the best big men in the lottery a few years ago.

Of course, these people want us to ignore the obvious problems he has, inability to defend, problems with knees, and lack of jumping ability. But that's okay, cuz Kanter kicks ***, just like Boom Bitches...

An unfair comparison. Kanter is a lot more of a "man" than Koufus was. That combined with being much more coordinated and having better footwork.
 
Hey Bill O'Reilly, I'm waiting.

On every draft website they talk about him having past knee issues. Its impossible to know the extent of them though since he is only 18/19 and hasn't played competitively in a while. I'm sure once workouts get going and teams medical staffs are allowed to examine players we will all know more about it.
 
An unfair comparison. Kanter is a lot more of a "man" than Koufus was. That combined with being much more coordinated and having better footwork.

Huh?

What does being more of a "man" mean?

Much more coordinated and better footwork? Ah yes, in international play. I'm sure Boom Bitches looks like a man, very coordinated, and has awesome footwork against inferior competition.

Just check out Kosta's scouting report:
from Draftexpress:
Looking at Koufos’ game, there is certainly a lot to like, starting with some of his abilities in the post, specifically his back-to-the-basket finesse game.

Moving away from the post, Koufos has a very nice jump-shot from the mid-range, possessing good form and a high release point due to his size. His range extends out to at least the college three-point line

I never saw any post game and no jump shot. Oh, and early in his career he dominated his euro league. Funny. How many more euros do we need to draft that "dominated" in their weak *** leagues to only flop in the NBA?

Lets move along folks. Nothing more to see here. We don't need anymore euro stiffs. We have enough offensive players like Al and Millsap to score. Lets get working on getting more athletic, longer, and defensive minded.

NO MORE EURO STIFFS WHO ONLY CARE ABOUT SCORING AND NOT DEFENDING. As Tyson Chandler has shown, defense really does win championships. Meanwhile, Pau and Andrew showed as well, lack of defense while only caring about scoring will give you a quick *** kicking.

Enough Boozers, Paus, and Memos. Lets get longer, meaner, more athletic, and defensive minded.
 
I was using the word "man" to describe his body, meaning he possesses a stronger body at an early age.
 
I was using the word "man" to describe his body, meaning he possesses a stronger body at an early age.

Meh. Maybe a little. But that still doesn't make up for his lack of height, quickness, overall athleticism, and defensive ability(liability).

IMO we have plenty of offense down low.

We need more defense, length, and quickness. People were driving down the lane last year like it was I-15. Al and Millsap can score a lot. But they can't defend a chair. Al is too soft and not athletic enough. While Millsap is just too undersized.

We need someone other than Favors that deters people.

While Kanter may have a nice Memo/Kevin Love like game, how exactly does he improve us? Maybe he scores a little bit more efficiently than Al or Millsap. Or maybe we can unload someone to get something else. So actually, I'm not against drafting Kanter at all.

But I do believe we need to stop being enthralled by all these highlight tapes from one game. Everyone looks good in highlight tapes.

Lets focus on qualities that we need out of players. Intensity, length, quickness, durability, and defense.

I have no doubt in my mind that Kanter looks amazing in euro 3 point shooting contests.

But how's he going to react when Dwight Howard blocks his shot and knocks him on his ***?

Will he defend the paint like Tyson Chandler is doing?

Or with all the length, offensive ability, and culture in the world, will he sit around and pout like Pau Gasol has done in these playoffs?

Many have compared Biyombo to Ben Wallace. A much less talented player than Pau Gasol. Probably a lot less talented than this Kanter (the annointed one).

But right now, as the Jazz are currently constituted, that's exactly what this heartless and defenseless team needs. We need less finesse, more power and thug.
 
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On every draft website they talk about him having past knee issues. Its impossible to know the extent of them though since he is only 18/19 and hasn't played competitively in a while. I'm sure once workouts get going and teams medical staffs are allowed to examine players we will all know more about it.

On every draft site? Like what, NBAdarft.net? More than half of the material you find on the net is regurgitated from there, and that site ****ing blows. The ONLY thing I've found is he had tendinitis in one of his knees more than 2.5 years ago. Maybe he has legitimate knee problems, but with the actual information out there (almost zero substantiated evidence), that's hardly fair. I'd bet around half of the players in any given draft have had an ailing knee at some point. Having an ailment a couple of years ago isn't sufficient to say a guy has bum knees.

And on the best website accessible to the public that there is and logging the largest tracking of Kanter that there is (at least in english) - draftexpress - it doesn't mention anything about a knee problem. Not even once.

Unless someone wants to enlighten us with something that is not accessible to the public and is substantiated. Either way, we'll find out what's going on in his legs when he has to take a physical soon enough.
 
I'm still fuming players like Barnes, Jones, Sullinger stayed in school. We'd have a shot at someone good like Kanter getting pushed down to us.
I know Kanter is gone by 6 in this draft, and Bismark has a good shot to be gone if he has good workouts. Hell, even Knight might not be there.

Do the Euros really excite you, or do you just not know enough about them?

No, not especially. No one is really exciting me in this draft. Like you, I was salivating over Barnes. There are no prospects that are slam dunk studs. Irving is probably most likely to be one. Even though he was fantastic for Arizona there's still some question as to how Dwill2's game will translate to the NBA small forward. Then from there there's Kanter's knees and lack of athleticism, there's Bismack's lack of offensive game, etc etc etc.

Still, the Jazz have 2 picks so see what you can get out of them. No one's a finished product so there's a lot of gambling on potential. Bismack seems to have long arms and a motor for defense so there's potential. Jonas plays hard and has good numbers per his minutes, but he's oh so skinny. bla bla bla I dunno. I'm just widening my search to see if there's a diamond in the rough no one's talking about.

Ah forget it - just draft Jimmer.
 
1. Trade Harris and Millsap and the Nr. 12 pick for Bynum and second rounder
2. Trade Al Jefferson for Andre Iguodala and first rounder (Nr. 16 pick)
3. Trade Derrick Favors and Raja Bell for Webster and Ridnour
4. Try to get Kanter in the Draft
5. Resign AK

Jazz starting lineup:

C- Bynum - Okur
PF- Kanter - Kirilenko
SF- Iguodala - Kirilenko
SG- Hayward - Webster
PG- Ridnour - Watson (resign)

Please stop.... My eyes are bleeding.
 
On every draft site? Like what, NBAdarft.net? More than half of the material you find on the net is regurgitated from there, and that site ****ing blows. The ONLY thing I've found is he had tendinitis in one of his knees more than 2.5 years ago. Maybe he has legitimate knee problems, but with the actual information out there (almost zero substantiated evidence), that's hardly fair. I'd bet around half of the players in any given draft have had an ailing knee at some point. Having an ailment a couple of years ago isn't sufficient to say a guy has bum knees.

And on the best website accessible to the public that there is and logging the largest tracking of Kanter that there is (at least in english) - draftexpress - it doesn't mention anything about a knee problem. Not even once.

Unless someone wants to enlighten us with something that is not accessible to the public and is substantiated. Either way, we'll find out what's going on in his legs when he has to take a physical soon enough.

Yeah, you pretty much just restated everything I said. I guess I was wrong about the "every" draft site thing though.
 
I like Kanter give or take, but my main problem with him is that he wants to be a PF. He might be a good one, like Kevin Love meets poor man's Demarcus Cousins, but Favors wants to be a PF tool. Somebody has to play in the middle. Also, I'm not sure of Kanter's ability to defend without fouling.

I still see 10 players in this draft who could definitely help the Jazz: Irving, Williams, Knight, Kanter, Vesely, Biyombo, Montiejunas, Leonard, Burks, Fredette...

I don't think the Jazz's draft changes too much with Terrence Jones going back to school. The first pick should be pretty solid, and the second pick will have to be a bit creative.
 
Agreed. Plus, his stats are even more impressive when you take into consideration that FSU isn't exactly UNC or Duke, loaded with studs for whom opponents must gameplan and account. The guy is thee lockdown defender in this draft, is athletic and long, can defend three positions and has solid offensive stats. Quite frankly, we already have enough guys who can score. Jefferson, Millsap, Hayward, Harris, Miles, hell Okur's coming back and Favors needs touches to develop an offensive game. Sure, I'd love a wing who can penetrate and take it to the hoop night in and night out AND shoot AND defend but I don't see anyone like that at anyway so go with Singleton who we know can defend, has solid percentages which maybe be able to translate to the NBA three, and is the type of guy we should be going after. Hayward at the 2, Singleton at the 3 and Favors at the 4 or 5 are three very good defenders who know what they're doing.

Beautifully put. Getting better defensively is SOO much more important for the Jazz going into this draft, than offense. How many times did we get blitzed from the 3 this season? How bad was our pick and roll D?? Honestly Singletons percentages are very good for an FSU team that made a surprise run to the Sweet 16 i think, and fits in VERY nicely with our defensively sound rookies we got last year, IE Gordon Hayward and Derrick Favors.

PG Brandon Knight/Harris
SG Hayward
SF Singleton
PF Favors
C Jefferson
6th man: Millsap

How good, especially defensively, would this team be in 2 years?? I shudder from excitement. I am officially for drafting Singleton at the 12 position 110%.
 
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