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Cy said:
Well I guess we will see how good BYU is when their bowl game gets scheduled. Hopefully they maintain their undefeated season so we can see them against a very good P5 team and see how good/bad BYU really is.

I will have to watch a Utah game this year when they get into the hard part of their Pac-12 schedule.
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They play WSU this week. Be interesting to see how WSU bounces back after losing to Oregon. Also, the Rutgers game was semi on the road (Seattle) and Nevada was on the road. They have UCLA the week after. That game will be on FS1 or ESPN 2.
 
green said:
Utah would win this game easily this year. Last year, the game was never close or in doubt. Utah dominated that game physically from beginning to end. It would be worse this year.
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Like I said, byu is ranked in the top 20 with a top qb in the country.

You think utah world easily beat byu... that means you must think utah is a top 5 type team in the nation.
That's fine that you think that. You are unable to think clearly when it comes to byu and utah.
 
fishonjazz said:
Like I said, byu is ranked in the top 20 with a top qb in the country.

You think utah world easily beat byu... that means you must think utah is a top 5 type team in the nation.
That's fine that you think that. You are unable to think clearly when it comes to byu and utah.
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No, it doesn't. Not at all. It means that when Sagarin ranked Utah 34th in the country and BYU 35th after the last season, he knew what he was doing. It means that I don't think BYU is a top 20 team. It means that BYU's ranking is why the P5 want to separate themselves from everyone else. BYU's schedule is lucky and weak. Is Texas and Cal your only P5 teams? That is horrible. That is not a schedule that deserves to be ranked at the end of the year...even if you are undefeated.

It means that if you give Utah, Miss St, ASU, Washington, and a host of other historically "mid-level" P5 teams your schedule, they too would be undefeated and ranked in the top 20. It doesn't mean BYU is a top 20 team. It means they are playing the game correctly. It also means that they will be left out of the big bowls to end the year.
 
green said:
No, it doesn't. Not at all. It means that

It means that if you give Utah, Miss St, ASU, Washington, and a host of other historically "mid-level" P5 teams your schedule, they too would be undefeated and ranked in the top 20. It doesn't mean BYU is a top 20 team. It means they are playing the game correctly. It also means that they will be left out of the big bowls to end the year.
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Ok so you just put byu in a group with mid level p5 schools like asu washington miss st.... yet you think that utes win easily against byu.

I guess you think that the utes would easily beat asu, washington and miss state.
Sounds like a top 5 type of team tbh.

Anywho I'm tired of your trolling and will no longer discuss this with you.... you just are not worth it.
 
green said:
No, it doesn't. Not at all. It means that when Sagarin ranked Utah 34th in the country and BYU 35th after the last season, he knew what he was doing. It means that I don't think BYU is a top 20 team. It means that BYU's ranking is why the P5 want to separate themselves from everyone else. BYU's schedule is lucky and weak. Is Texas and Cal your only P5 teams? That is horrible. That is not a schedule that deserves to be ranked at the end of the year...even if you are undefeated.

It means that if you give Utah, Miss St, ASU, Washington, and a host of other historically "mid-level" P5 teams your schedule, they too would be undefeated and ranked in the top 20. It doesn't mean BYU is a top 20 team. It means they are playing the game correctly. It also means that they will be left out of the big bowls to end the year.
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Calling MSU a historically mid-level P5 team is a compliment. We have been ****ing awful in the past.
 
fishonjazz said:
Ok so you just put byu in a group with mid level p5 schools like asu washington miss st.... yet you think that utes win easily against byu.

I guess you think that the utes would easily beat asu, washington and miss state.
Sounds like a top 5 type of team tbh.

Anywho I'm tired of your trolling and will no longer discuss this with you.... you just are not worth it.
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I never said BYU was on their level. I just said mid-level P5 teams would do much better with BYU's schedule, because they are better than BYU.
 
You say I just hate BYU? Here you go. My updated Top 25 that no one cares about but me:

I am ranking teams based on the college football season and using the College Football Playoffs criteria. Their criteria is vague, but this is what they have made public:

1 - SOS
2 - Conference Championships
3 - Team Records
4 - Head to Head
5 - Injuries
6 - Weather

Remember, I don't care what anyone is ranked in the AP or Coaches Polls. I don't care about last year. I care about today. I'm a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately kind of guy. These rankings are based on what teams have done so far, this year. Not where I expect teams to end up at the end of the year. Who have you played this year, and how have you done. What I want to see is how my rankings compare to the committee's at the end of the year.

My interesting takes:

BYU ranked so high. That is due to the fact that they have the #18 SOS thus far. It also has to do with my second interesting observation.
There isn't a single ranked team that has played another ranked team other than Mississippi St and LSU. I expect the rankings to really change as teams start playing other teams. I expect teams to jump into the rankings who are out right now (such as Stanford, Michigan St, Baylor, Wisconsin, Ohio State, etc)

1 - UCLA (1)
2 - Auburn (19)
3 - Oklahoma (13)
4 - BYU (6)
5 - Oregon (16)
6 - Alabama (9)
7 - Notre Dame (2)
8 - Florida State (12)
9 - Mississippi St (UR)
10 - Penn St (4)
11 - Georgia Tech (UR)
12 - Texas A&M (3)
13 - Utah (UR)
14 - Arizona State (7)
15 - Ole Miss (10)
16 - Nebraska (UR)
17 - Arizona (UR)
18 - Washington (18)
19 - Duke (17)
20 - TCU (15)
21 - South Carolina (20)
22 - Louisville (UR)
23 - Florida (14)
24 - USC (25)
25 - LSU (11)

College Football Playoff Tie In's Week 3 (Not quite yet predictions. That comes later):

Rose Bowl: #1 UCLA vs #4 BYU
Sugar Bowl: #2 Auburn vs #3 Oklahoma


The New Years Bowls would be:

Orange Bowl: #8 Florida State vs #6 Alabama
Cotton Bowl: #7 Notre Dame vs #9 Mississippi St
Fiesta Bowl: #5 Oregon vs #12 Texas A&M
Peach Bowl: #24 East Carolina vs #11 Georgia Tech

BYU gets in! Under the rules, if BYU is top 4, they are in. Well, they are in. The rest of the bowls filled out nicely. Penn State fans would be angry, seeing how they are ranked #10, but left out in favor of #12 Texas A&M. That is what happens when your conference is down, your program still has a bad stink, and you are competing for a spot against a match up of the two most exciting offenses.

My explanations for ranking each team where they are ranked can be found here:

https://simplemanslifeutahutes.blogspot.com/2014/09/college-football-rankings-92414.html
 
colton said:
OK, this has been bugging me for quite a while. Does anyone else think of this every time they see Safetydan has posted? Or is it just me?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM4okRvCg2g
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Nah, I think of Lt. Dan from Forest Gump.
 
fishonjazz said:
https://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/99254/video-mendenhall-byu-aim-to-crash-playoff
What is your point?

I said most BYU FANS are not thinking about the playoff.
So you give a link about bronco mendenhall and his team hoping to get into the playoffs.

Do you think that bronco and byu should not want to get into the playoffs?
Do you think they should not campaign and try to get in?
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You are much more reasonable than the average BYU fan. You have to see that. I think many BYU fans think that if they go undefeated they deserve a spot in the playoff and with their D-line I just don't see it. Sorry but when you have a schedule like that how you win games becomes more important.

colton said:
"I just want to be a team that demands some consideration in a format that seems already set."

Yes, very controversial statements from Bronco.
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Never said it was controversial but I do think many BYU fans have bought into the hype without honestly looking at the whole team.
 
heyhey said:
their D-line
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Definitely thier biggest weakness. They are pretty solid everywhere else, but that d line is bad.
heyhey said:
Sorry but when you have a schedule like that how you win games becomes more important.
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I agree. They need to be blowing every team out to even be talking playoffs.

Honestly though, I don't think very many byu fans are talking playoffs. I go to a site called cougarfans and go to the forum (I don't post there though) and most every one of the posters there are just hoping we can keep winning. NONE of them ever say that they think byu will be in the playoffs. Quite the opposite. Most of them bitch about how this new system leaves byu out even more so than the bcs and that there is no way that byu would be allowed into the playoffs even if they played all 12 games against the top 12 teams in the country and still went undefeated.

If you guys think byu fans think that byu will get into the playoffs then you are way wrong. Byu fans probably think byu has less of a chance at the playoffs than anyone else
 
I'm so tired hearing about how, "oh, the PAC-12 doesn't look as good this year. We thought they were on par with the SEC, but they've started slow. Oh, let me lick the SEC's..."

Did these "experts" not watch Alabama let Florida stick around with sloppy play and TO's?

Did these "experts not watch LSU lose to Mississippi St (the equivalent of Oregon losing to WSU. If I remember right, Oregon beat WSU). "Oh, but this just means Mississippi St is a good team."

What about South Carolina losing to perennial Big 12 middle of the road team, Texas A&M? Or almost losing to Eastern Carolina?

How about Vandy losing to Temple?

Ridiculous. Yeah, the PAC-12 has looked weak this year but the SEC, whoa, the Sec has looked amazing. Let's go lick some SEC...
 
fishonjazz said:
Funny how you and green talk about the utes being in a whole different class than byu.

It's like you think the utes are the #1 team in the country and byu is idaho state.

Makes ute fans sound pretty stupid really.

Oh well, keep up the good work

I do wonder why the national media doesn't see things the way you and green do.

Its all good though the utes have no one but themselves to blame for not playing byu this year.
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I sound stupid? Like I said in my post that ruffled your feathers, I have had no problem in the past acknowledging when I think BYU is going to pose problems for Utah and quite honestly, I'm quite worried about BYU more times than not. However, I take exception to your notion that my opinion on this years respective squads makes me sound "stupid". Let's look at some facts:

- Last year, Utah committed 8 and sometimes 9 guys to the box against Taysom and IT WORKED! Taysom, and BYU's run game overall never got on track enough, meanwhile Taysom was missing open receivers. While Taysom is better this year, I still have yet to see anything from him that would force Utah to alter a defensive strategy that has already worked. Add to that I think Utah's secondary is quite a bit improved this year with the return of Blechen, the addition of Tevin Carter, and very solid CB play coming from Hatfield and Justin Thomas.

- Every time these two teams face off, it seems like Bronco coaches not to lose as opposed to coaching to win. For whatever reason, he tightens up against Utah and to be honest, that is a criticism that I've seen from a ton of BYU fans.

- I do believe Virginia is an improved team that plays physical ball but I would still classify them as extremely limited offensively. The fact that they out gained BYU so soundly is a huge red flag for me. As dynamic as Taysom makes them offensively, I think your Defense is more limited across the board than you might believe. Oddly enough, Utah is not limited offensively this year. If you're giving up nearly 400 yards of offense to Virginia, I love Utah's chances of moving the ball.

- As I previously mentioned, special teams have played huge roles in rivalry games of late and I could make the argument that Utah has quite possibly the best kicker, punter, return man combo in the country.

- Every shred of recent history shows Utah is a matchup problem for BYU. Utah has been able to run their schemes on both sides of the ball and get the results they want. BYU has not. With both teams improved this year, why would that change?

- Your comment that questions why the rest of the country doesn't see what Ute fans see seems to me that you're inferring BYU must be better because they're ranked and Utah is not. If that's the case, and you're taking into account what voters are thinking actually has some sort of impact on this matchup, I shouldn't be the one worried about sounding stupid.
 
green said:
I'm so tired hearing about how, "oh, the PAC-12 doesn't look as good this year. We thought they were on par with the SEC, but they've started slow. Oh, let me lick the SEC's..."

Did these "experts" not watch Alabama let Florida stick around with sloppy play and TO's?

Did these "experts not watch LSU lose to Mississippi St (the equivalent of Oregon losing to WSU. If I remember right, Oregon beat WSU). "Oh, but this just means Mississippi St is a good team."

What about South Carolina losing to perennial Big 12 middle of the road team, Texas A&M? Or almost losing to Eastern Carolina?

How about Vandy losing to Temple?

Ridiculous. Yeah, the PAC-12 has looked weak this year but the SEC, whoa, the Sec has looked amazing. Let's go lick some SEC...
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SEC West is widely regarded as the best subset of a conference in the league, becasue it is.

SEC West has still yet to lose to anyone outside of the SEC West.
 
Cy said:
SEC West is widely regarded as the best subset of a conference in the league, becasue it is.

SEC West has still yet to lose to anyone outside of the SEC West.
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I'm not bagging on the SEC at all. They are #1. And, though I took a jab at Miss St, I'm rooting for anyone that has that many former Utes associated with it. They look good this year. BUT, why does LSU get a pass for losing to Miss St, and the PAC-12 gets knocked down a notch because USC beat Stanford?

Just a bit of bias.
 
While we are talking about Mullins, Gonzalous and Johnson, why do people talk about Whitt not having a broad network of coaching contacts and Bronco being this friend to everyone?

There are more former Utes colleagues of Whitt's at other schools than Bronco. There are more former coaches under Whitt that are head coaches than Bronco has coaching anywhere (Chow, Andersen, Hill). Whitt has brought in Chow, Erickson and Christensen, three of college football's greatest offensive minds. Bronco has Anae, Doman and Anae.

Man, I'm all fired up this morning.
 
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