2017-2018 Jazz salaries, cap/LT details

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yes. They can keep carroll doe

In fact we could try trading favors to other teams for picks and/or players even.
I don't think the Raptors are the only option for a favors trade. (I'm not against trading favors as you can see. I just don't like that particular favors trade)

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We have to take Carroll dude. The point of the deal for Toronto is they will be heavily into the LT if they keep their core intact. Favors gives them cap relief. That's the point of the deal on their side. They dont actually want Favors.

No one is going to give us Favors for anything great. Anyone trading for Favors is going to be trading primarily for the expiring contract and giving us back a less than stellar contract with more years on it that the Favors contract. So if you want to find landing spots for Favors, you have to look at teams who want to cut salary. I dont think there is a better contract to trade off for than Carroll.

You could also look at Phoenix, who might really want to get out of Brandon Knight, but Knight has 3 years left on his deal compared to 2 for Carroll (not to mention we probably cant get a 1st rounder from Phoenix). Knight would also want more minutes where Carroll has a good relationship in SLC and with Snyder and should be able to fill a role much better.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I dislike the Carroll option because I don't think he is an ideal fit, but I think you are correct about the Favors thing. If he is back to form next season the Jazz can't afford him and they will lose him in FA. If he isn't back to form, he might not be worth very much, and most likely won't want to be a backup here anyway. To me that shows that the team almost has to trade him this season, or just accept that next year will be his last.

I'd prefer a trade for a better fitting 4, a PG, or a combo wing if we are dealing Favors. After those things I would prefer future picks. But I'm just not a fan of Demarre for his contract.

I really feel like Carroll could revive his career to an extent in Utah. If you watch Toronto, their offense just isn't good. It relies way too much on watching Lowry/DeRozan iso. It's not the motion/passing offense Carroll excelled in w/ Atlanta. Not saying he would be great, but I could see him having more value in a series against the Warriors than Favors. He can be a body capable of guarding Klay, Durant, and Green.

 

[fishonjazz]

We have to take Carroll dude. The point of the deal for Toronto is they will be heavily into the LT if they keep their core intact. Favors gives them cap relief. That's the point of the deal on their side. They dont actually want Favors.

No one is going to give us Favors for anything great. Anyone trading for Favors is going to be trading primarily for the expiring contract and giving us back a less than stellar contract with more years on it that the Favors contract. So if you want to find landing spots for Favors, you have to look at teams who want to cut salary. I dont think there is a better contract to trade off for than Carroll.

You could also look at Phoenix, who might really want to get out of Brandon Knight, but Knight has 3 years left on his deal compared to 2 for Carroll. Knight would also want more minutes where Carroll has a good relationship in SLC and with Snyder and should be able to fill a role much better.

Maybe you presented your trade wrong.

You say favors for carroll and 23. I say no.

You say favors and picks for carroll and Paul george. I say yes.

I was unaware that getting the 23rd pick equals getting Paul george.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Maybe you presented your trade wrong.

You say favors for carroll and 23. I say no.

You say favors and picks for carroll and Paul george. I say yes.

I was unaware that getting the 23rd pick equals getting Paul george.

IDK, maybe it does maybe it doesnt. I think it leads to something better than 1 year of hobbled/maybe healthy Favors.

 

[fishonjazz]

IDK, maybe it does maybe it doesnt. I think it leads to something better than 1 year of hobbled/maybe healthy Favors.

Fair enough.

 

[Quin's Murderface]

I really feel like Carroll could revive his career to an extent in Utah. If you watch Toronto, their offense just isn't good. It relies way too much on watching Lowry/DeRozan iso. It's not the motion/passing offense Carroll excelled in w/ Atlanta. Not saying he would be great, but I could see him having more value in a series against the Warriors than Favors. He can be a body capable of guarding Klay, Durant, and Green.

I haven't watched him much other than the playoffs where he struggled. I would trust DL to make the right call, and if he thought DC could help then I could convince myself that it is a good move. Some teams in similar situations might be Orlando (maybe more next season) and Detroit. I would look at targeting somebody like Fournier or Tobias Harris to help them free up money for their young max guys coming up. I think you have to find good players that might not be part of the future plans, and are making between 15-20 Million so you can use the cap space or the Diaw expiring as well.

You might have something there with Carroll though. It seems risky because his last two seasons he's been a bout a 40% shooter overall. But both of those seasons were in toronto so maybe with a change of scenery he gets back to that Atlanta efficiency.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I haven't watched him much other than the playoffs where he struggled. I would trust DL to make the right call, and if he thought DC could help then I could convince myself that it is a good move. Some teams in similar situations might be Orlando (maybe more next season) and Detroit. I would look at targeting somebody like Fournier or Tobias Harris to help them free up money for their young max guys coming up. I think you have to find good players that might not be part of the future plans, and are making between 15-20 Million so you can use the cap space or the Diaw expiring as well.

You might have something there with Carroll though. It seems risky because his last two seasons he's been a bout a 40% shooter overall. But both of those seasons were in toronto so maybe with a change of scenery he gets back to that Atlanta efficiency.

Yeah, but I think if you look deeper into the numbers, Carroll's performance can be tied to Lowry being on the court. Without Lowry they didnt have the spacing and playmaking to utilize a role player like Carroll.

I just dont see Orlando/Detroit trading Harris/Fournier at this point. They are on very good deals for the current cap climate (especially Harris who had his contract front loaded). If Detroit trades Harris, it's probably to unload Drummond's contract.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I would love to get Fournier though. Not sure what Orlando is thinking with their long-term plans after firing their GM. He is underpaid at 17,000,000 a year for the next 3 years. He is what I think Hood could be. If Hood reaches that level his year though he is likely getting paid 22+ million a year.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I would be surprised if Favors got traded this off season unless its part of a big deal that brings us someone like PG13. Otherwise it is dumb to trade him while his value is at its lowest. Let him come back and play next season. If he is playing well and depending on the moves the Jazz make look to trade him if he doesnt fit or you dont think we can re-sign him. Otherwise negotiate an extension. If he cant get healthy that is when you can dump him for some crap deal.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I would be surprised if Favors got traded this off season unless its part of a big deal that brings us someone like PG13. Otherwise it is dumb to trade him while his value is at its lowest. Let him come back and play next season. If he is playing well and depending on the moves the Jazz make look to trade him if he doesnt fit or you dont think we can re-sign him. Otherwise negotiate an extension. If he cant get healthy that is when you can dump him for some crap deal.

Nobody is going to want him at the trade deadline. He would be going into free agency. Now is the perfect time to trade him. I'd do Favors for Carroll and 23. We could do some serious trade damage with 3 firsts and we solve the question of who is the odd man out (Favors, Hood, Exum).


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[Elizah Huge]

Also, since when is getting a 3/D wing who is familiar with our coach and a first-round pick a crap deal?


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[silesian]

. some of Locke's comments on him "checking out" because he wasn't playing are extremely troublesome

I think this was obvious to anyone watching the Jazz

 

[silesian]

How many times does it need to be repeated that LHM Co. has categorically stated they are completely unwilling to go into luxury tax?

You mean like they did in 2011 and 2012?

 

[silesian]

And the cost of living is double Utah.

Not that important when making 80 million in 4 years

 

[silesian]

Link?

Not saying you are wrong, but this arrangement is really complicated. In other words, I think you might be wrong about the fact no one can profit from the Jazz. IMO, they will continue to profit from the Jazz operating as a team in the NBA, but that NOBODY can profit from selling the team. Not completely sure, but I think you might be confusing the two.

If I am wrong, I apologize.

No link but I've heard several times that miller family cannot pull equity from Jazz - meaning that they can't pay themselves dividends. All profits are reinvested.

 

[fishonjazz]

Also, since when is getting a 3/D wing who is familiar with our coach and a first-round pick a crap deal?


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I see your point but I think carroll is a worse basketball player than hood, ingles, JJ and hayward, he is older than exum, burks, hood, hayward, and ingles, and he costs more than hood, ingles, exum, and burks.

So he would be one of our worst wings production wise while also being one of the highest paid.

3 and D doesn't equal good pick up automatically. Especially when you consider that the "3" part of 3 and D in this case is 34%.

Then you add the fact that favors might be better than the 23rd pick in the draft.

 

[silesian]

I have no link, but it was discussed in some pod by some Jazz media members. I'm 100% positive on this. Any profit the Jazz make in a year goes to a fund to pay for Jazz team operating expenses in the future. Or at least I'm pretty sure, idk, maybe Im remembering it wrong.

Dammit Cy I just posted an almost identical response. I hate when we agree,

 

[silesian]

So then you agree next year will be Favors last year in Utah and you don't want to recoup any value for him?

Cy is spot on here. I see 3 scenarios

1. Get what you can for Favors this offseason. A late first is good value
2. Favors returns to form and you move him for more to a contender at the trade deadlines.
3. Favors does not return to form and he walks

He's not coming back.

 

[fishonjazz]

Cy is spot on here. I see 3 scenarios

1. Get what you can for Favors this offseason. A late first is good value
2. Favors returns to form and you move him for more to a contender at the trade deadlines.
3. Favors does not return to form and he walks

He's not coming back.

Why not favors returns to form and you keep him?

We are thin at bigs right now.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Why not favors returns to form and you keep him?

We are thin at bigs right now.

Favors isn't going to be on the team long-term. I don't really see it unless he's willing to take another extension at a discount.


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