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A plea for more scoring and ball handling via the 12th pick

spycam1 said:
His form looks pretty good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpqi5InmKbc

Korkmaz is the better bet to be a knock down shooter tho
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Like it seems every 3pt shot Luwawu squares himself and is ready to shoot before he catches the ball. He seems to always hold his follow through. It might come off as mechanical, but it shows me he puts a lot of work on the fine details of his shot. He can definitley get more fluid and quicker on his release, but I like the foundation of his shot more than Korkmaz's.

Korkmaz just seems like more of a natural who is flashy with the way he scores instead of focusing on his mechanics 100% of the time.
 
Korkmaz is a shooters shooter. He's got a great shot fake. He's more of a dead-eye marksman type, that's not to be left open at-all. He's more likely to shoot 40% from 3 than Luwawu is.

Luwawu IMO should be over 35% and I think in the Jazz offense he'd get good looks and would be higher. Tim is more of a rhythm shooter, he can get hot, and his mechanics are good, his shot selection isn't the greatest which lessens his %'s. He's more the type where you'll want to bunker down defensively after he hits one. He can make tough ones though, and he can get hot from 3.
 
King Cy said:
Like it seems every 3pt shot Luwawu squares himself and is ready to shoot before he catches the ball. He seems to always hold his follow through. It might come off as mechanical, but it shows me he puts a lot of work on the fine details of his shot. He can definitley get more fluid and quicker on his release, but I like the foundation of his shot more than Korkmaz's.

Korkmaz just seems like more of a natural who is flashy with the way he scores instead of focusing on his mechanics 100% of the time.
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That's basically how I'd interpret it too.
 
PG_AB said:
Korkmaz is a shooters shooter. He's got a great shot fake. He's more of a dead-eye marksman type, that's not to be left open at-all. He's more likely to shoot 40% from 3 than Luwawu is.

Luwawu IMO should be over 35% and I think in the Jazz offense he'd get good looks and would be higher. Tim is more of a rhythm shooter, he can get hot, and his mechanics are good, his shot selection isn't the greatest which lessens his %'s. He's more the type where you'll want to bunker down defensively after he hits one. He can make tough ones though, and he can get hot from 3.
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yeah the presence of Hood's mid-range game, Hayward, and Burks might not make Korkmaz's shot-making as much as a premium. However that set three=point shot is really ****ing important for this squad.

I suppose it's not unlikely for him to carve out a Sefalosha role for this team. Is that a fair mock?
 
PG_AB said:
Korkmaz is a shooters shooter. He's got a great shot fake. He's more of a dead-eye marksman type, that's not to be left open at-all. He's more likely to shoot 40% from 3 than Luwawu is.

Luwawu IMO should be over 35% and I think in the Jazz offense he'd get good looks and would be higher. Tim is more of a rhythm shooter, he can get hot, and his mechanics are good, his shot selection isn't the greatest which lessens his %'s. He's more the type where you'll want to bunker down defensively after he hits one. He can make tough ones though, and he can get hot from 3.
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He does have that Al Jefferson shot fake where he gets it all the way above his head.
 
dalamon said:
yeah the presence of Hood's mid-range game, Hayward, and Burks might not make Korkmaz's shot-making as much as a premium. However that set three=point shot is really ****ing important for this squad.

I suppose it's not unlikely for him to carve out a Sefalosha role for this team. Is that a fair mock?
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DX seems to say he can maybe run pick-and-rolls. Huh. I guess I can't see how you don't pick this guy at 12. I just pray he can hit 3s at a high volume though.
 
dalamon said:
DX seems to say he can maybe run pick-and-rolls. Huh. I guess I can't see how you don't pick this guy at 12. I just pray he can hit 3s at a high volume though.
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He's the most obvious choice to me at #12. The other options being of the high risk/reward variety: Skal and Thon.
 
this has been my first foray into draft-watching this entire season. I'll bow out now.

Go Dennis. You seem to crush this sorta thing.



edit: hell no to Thon at 12. Even if he explodes and makes us look stupid I don't think we need to go swinging for a home-run here. We don't need to win the lottery-- let's just get a wing who can drain threes and stay on the court with his defensive ability.

2nd edit: misunderstood your post-- thought Thon was being mocked at 12. Either way, i stand by the need for high risk/high reward
 
dalamon said:
DX seems to say he can maybe run pick-and-rolls. Huh. I guess I can't see how you don't pick this guy at 12. I just pray he can hit 3s at a high volume though.
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DX also talks about how he doesnt get to the FT line and relies too much on hitting tough shots. His weaknesses read like Rodney Hood's weaknesses. I just think Luwawu adds a more needed dynamic to our wings than Korkmaz.

Even in the event Hayward is traded or not signed, I still like Luwawu/Hood/Burks more than Korkmaz/Hood/Burks. Luwawu adds something unique to the group that we don't currently have where Korkmaz just kind of adds on to our preexisting strengths.
 
The stuff I've read about Korkmaz's defense and body give me pause. If given the choice between him and Luwawu, then I'm taking Luwawu.
 
bigmike said:
He's not. I just don't see a splashy PG signing (like Conley) in the cards for us this offseason. Not much has changed, we're still not a sexy FA destination.

Depending on who is available via trade, the draft may be our best chance to bolster the PG spot and he's the draft's best point guard.
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WTF is wrong with what we have!!?
 
dalamon said:
yeah the presence of Hood's mid-range game, Hayward, and Burks might not make Korkmaz's shot-making as much as a premium. However that set three=point shot is really ****ing important for this squad.

I suppose it's not unlikely for him to carve out a Sefalosha role for this team. Is that a fair mock?
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Sefalosha was a really solid defender years ago. Korkmaz is known as one?
 
Thee jazz fan said:
WTF is wrong with what we have!!?
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It's a risk to just sit pat with Exum.

I wonder if Conley and the Jazz would be open to a short term deal, like 2 years. That would 30 when he signs his next big contract, which would be a good time line for a PG. If he signs a 4 year deal now he would be 32 going into his next contract signing. He could command another big long-term deal at 30. 32 might be harder to do the same.

2 years of Conley would make us a playoff team in the immediate and would allow us to evaluate our current pieces better. Best case scenario: Exum develops great and by Conley's 2nd year it's clear Exum is ready to be a full time starter. Since Exum has been coming off the bench, his value isnt extremely high going into his contract signing. Some teams like him, but are scared to throw huge amounts of money on him. The Jazz are able to sign him in RFA at a good price. Championships follow.
 
King Cy said:
It's a risk to just sit pat with Exum.

I wonder if Conley and the Jazz would be open to a short term deal, like 2 years. That would 30 when he signs his next big contract, which would be a good time line for a PG. If he signs a 4 year deal now he would be 32 going into his next contract signing. He could command another big long-term deal at 30. 32 might be harder to do the same.

2 years of Conley would make us a playoff team in the immediate and would allow us to evaluate our current pieces better. Best case scenario: Exum develops great and by Conley's 2nd year it's clear Exum is ready to be a full time starter. Since Exum has been coming off the bench, his value isnt extremely high going into his contract signing. Some teams like him, but are scared to throw huge amounts of money on him. The Jazz are able to sign him in RFA at a good price. Championships follow.
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Or stand pat.
 
King Cy said:
It's a risk to just sit pat with Exum.

I wonder if Conley and the Jazz would be open to a short term deal, like 2 years. That would 30 when he signs his next big contract, which would be a good time line for a PG. If he signs a 4 year deal now he would be 32 going into his next contract signing. He could command another big long-term deal at 30. 32 might be harder to do the same.

2 years of Conley would make us a playoff team in the immediate and would allow us to evaluate our current pieces better. Best case scenario: Exum develops great and by Conley's 2nd year it's clear Exum is ready to be a full time starter. Since Exum has been coming off the bench, his value isnt extremely high going into his contract signing. Some teams like him, but are scared to throw huge amounts of money on him. The Jazz are able to sign him in RFA at a good price. Championships follow.
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Why is it a risk. Exum more then proved himself on defense. We also have Mack and Neto who bring different offensive skill sets. We don't need anymore pg's. We have a winning record with Exum at first string.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Why is it a risk. Exum more then proved himself on defense. We also have Mack and Neto who bring different offensive skill sets. We don't need anymore pg's. We have a winning record with Exum at first string.
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Because I think it's a legitimate argument that Hayward/Hood/Favors/Gobert are all held back by the PG position on our team.
 
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