A plea for more scoring and ball handling via the 12th pick

[tleikheen]

Yes Exum is coming a ACL but all indications are that his knee and legs are coming back strong ,of course at 21 his chance of full recovery are much higher than older players.This is also a big plus for Exum ,he himself has said he's gained 10 lbs of muscle to add to his 190 lbs of last year.The addition of Exum back should make the NBA's 2nd rank defense(95.9) even stingier. When Exum and Gobert started they held opponents to 89 ppg.

Golden State and San Antonio had a pt differentials of (10.8) and (10.6 ) and what's their records.For the Jazz to gain ground on G.S.and San A.they need better offense ,their already going to be better on defense with Exum back and healthy. Jazz need to better then their (1.8) differential. Luwawu might be the better defensive player over Korkmaz or if not him Murray but Korkmaz and Murray are the better offensive players and Jazz need offense.

 

[tleikheen]

Because I think it's a legitimate argument that Hayward/Hood/Favors/Gobert are all held back by the PG position on our team.

Totally agree this past year but when Exum and Gobert started they were 19 and 10 ,that hasn't been equaled.Jazz whole team philosophy changed because of those games.Winning games after so much losing will see if team success trumps individual success.I think it will.But I also think this will be the last good pick Jazz will get for awhile ,because they will win.So get someone who has a chance to really good offensively while you can.

 

[spycam1]

Yes Exum is coming a ACL but all indications are that his knee and legs are coming back strong ,of course at 21 his chance of full recovery are much higher than older players.This is also a big plus for Exum ,he himself has said he's gained 10 lbs of muscle to add to his 190 lbs of last year.The addition of Exum back should make the NBA's 2nd rank defense(95.9) even stingier. When Exum and Gobert started they held opponents to 89 ppg.

Golden State and San Antonio had a pt differentials of (10.8) and (10.6 ) and what's their records.For the Jazz to gain ground on G.S.and San A.they need better offense ,their already going to be better on defense with Exum back and healthy. Jazz need to better then their (1.8) differential. Luwawu might be the better defensive player over Korkmaz or if not him Murray but Korkmaz and Murray are the better offensive players and Jazz need offense.

Murray certainly is, but I think Luwawu's offensive potential is being undersold a bit; he's going to be more than just a work horse on the defensive end.

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[RandyForRubio]

WTF is wrong with what we have!!?

1) We don't really know what we have with Exum. He's still a negative offensively.

2) Mack is a backup, shouldn't need to depend on him.

3) Neto is ok, but he shouldn't get many minutes.

We're average at best right now, if we can upgrade, we should.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

1) We don't really know what we have with Exum. He's still a negative offensively.

2) Mack is a backup, shouldn't need to depend on him.

3) Neto is ok, but he shouldn't get many minutes.

We're average at best right now, if we can upgrade, we should.

We have a winning record with Exum at pg same with Mack

 

[RandyForRubio]

We have a winning record with Exum at pg same with Mack

That's nice. You do realize we can still improve, right? I'd like to improve. Go back to yelling at the clouds, k?

 

[tleikheen]

1) We don't really know what we have with Exum. He's still a negative offensively.

We don't ......the Jazz finished 19 wins 10 losses the games he started.They held opponents to 89ppg.We now know what the Jazz don't have when he doesn't start

We're average at best right now, if we can upgrade, we should

Once again ,Jazz almost doubled up on wins to losses .....Is this a big reason why the Jazz held strong on Exum ,the wins and the defense when he played.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

That's nice. You do realize we can still improve, right? I'd like to improve. Go back to yelling at the clouds, k?

No real reason why we can't trust The pg's we have? K.

 

[RandyForRubio]

No real reason why we can't trust The pg's we have? K.

I know this is hard, but hear me out...we can do better. Does that make sense to you?

 

[RandyForRubio]

We don't ......the Jazz finished 19 wins 10 losses the games he started.They held opponents to 89ppg.We now know what the Jazz don't have when he doesn't start



Once again ,Jazz almost doubled up on wins to losses .....Is this a big reason why the Jazz held strong on Exum ,the wins and the defense when he played.

29 games man. 29 games. Roughly 1/3 of a year.

Pretty damn small sample size overall.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

I know this is hard, but hear me out...we can do better. Does that make sense to you?

So 19-10 isn't good enough and not proof enough for a starting rookie? Idiot!!

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

So 19-10 isn't good enough and not proof enough for a starting rookie? Idiot!!

Oh and Exum, more then likely has improved from his rookie year.

Let's also not forget that that he looked damn good in SL, yes, I know it's SL, but he was aggressive and the best player on the court

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

We are also talking about a 6-6 pg lightning quick and showed elite defense at pg, who can cause huge matchup concerns for apposing defenses.


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[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

The sooner he becomes a top 5 pg the better


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[RandyForRubio]

The sooner he becomes a top 5 pg the better


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No ****? You mean to tell me that the sooner he gets better, the better off we'll be as a team?! Mind blowing **** man.

 

[RandyForRubio]

So 19-10 isn't good enough and not proof enough for a starting rookie? Idiot!!

1) small sample size

2) Exum was putrid offensively. Couldn't shoot, penetrate or create for others.

3) Exum is coming off a torn acl, and is woefully inexperienced.

4) I like Exum a lot, but acting like we can't improve our Pg position is pretty silly, and intellectually dishonest.

5) Exum averaged 5/2/3 during that 29 game stretch, shot 34% from the 3, had an offensive rating of 83 and a defensive rating of 104...and we can't improve that? Lol.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Oh and fwiw, they were 24-17 with Exum as a starter, but we all know facts aren't your thing.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Oh and fwiw, they were 24-17 with Exum as a starter, but we all know facts aren't your thing.

Better win % then this year

 

[♪alt13]

We don't need another damned pg. we have three pretty damned good ones as it is


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Ummmmmm... No we don't. We have one PG that we all hope will become a pretty damned good one despite an injury and not showing us anything that could be considered even borderline competent offensively thus far.

 

[GVC]

Ummmmmm... No we don't. We have one PG that we all hope will become a pretty damned good one despite an injury and not showing us anything that could be considered even borderline competent offensively thus far.

There's no point arguing with people who think the Jazz shouldn't add talent, even if that talent can be signed to reasonable, easily moved contracts and cost nothing but cap space (of which, the Jazz have plenty). They apparently want the Jazz to strive only for levels of mediocrity within their own grasp.


A couple reminders for the cake-bakers:

1. Kanter, the 3rd overall pick in 2011, didn't pan out for the Jazz. In exchange for this top pick, the Jazz might end up with a garbage player and a second round pick. Wishful thinking about a player who failed as a rookie, and has already had major surgery on his knee, does not make him a franchise-changing star.

2. The Jazz played Ingles, CJ, Sap and Pleiss almost a combined 30 minutes per game this season. Injuries happen.


You'd think people would stop spouting this ****ing nonsense. The Jazz still need to add talent. There's no guarantee Gordo's with the team beyond next season, Favors is with the team beyond the season after that, or any of the other young players improve significantly or stick around long-term. How many more seasons like the last 6 would y'all like to endure?