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A plea for more scoring and ball handling via the 12th pick

GVC said:
There's no point arguing with people who think the Jazz shouldn't add talent, even if that talent can be signed to reasonable, easily moved contracts and cost nothing but cap space (of which, the Jazz have plenty). They apparently want the Jazz to strive only for levels of mediocrity within their own grasp.


A couple reminders for the cake-bakers:

1. Kanter, the 3rd overall pick in 2011, didn't pan out for the Jazz. In exchange for this top pick, the Jazz might end up with a garbage player and a second round pick. Wishful thinking about a player who failed as a rookie, and has already had major surgery on his knee, does not make him a franchise-changing star.

2. The Jazz played Ingles, CJ, Sap and Pleiss almost a combined 30 minutes per game this season. Injuries happen.


You'd think people would stop spouting this ****ing nonsense. The Jazz still need to add talent. There's no guarantee Gordo's with the team beyond next season, Favors is with the team beyond the season after that, or any of the other young players improve significantly or stick around long-term. How many more seasons like the last 6 would y'all like to endure?
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No one ever said we shouldn't, but it needs to be the right talent at the right position, and u don't add talent just to add it in fear of strapping the roster with bad deals or personalities and so on. Adding a starting pg now is a huge risk the Jazz don't need. From everything we've heard from DL to the coach is that they 100% believe Exum is special. They are around him all the time. They know more then u or I.

They are trusting the process, u should too.
 
Thee Jazz Fan out dueling Dalamon for King of the Blind Bakkers.
 
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GVC said:
They trusted the process with Kanter as well. Total nonsense. Adding talent on good contracts comes with far less risk than doing nothing and praying everything works out.
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U have to expect a wrong step here and there. Kanter, Burke and so on, but there is also Hayward, Hood, Lyles, Exum, Favors, (traded) and Burks. No one is going to get it right 100% of the time and again stop saying I don't think we shouldn't add talent. I just don't think we need to add a starting pg.
 
Maybe GVC can help out here but we will have to spend about $20 M just to get to the projected salary floor next year. Could spend up to 30 to get to the cap but I highly doubt that we go high.

We need to sign someone and this free agent crop is pretty meh... Adding a better point guard would make total sense... Adding a wing would be great... An upgrade over withey works too. Because of our market situation and somewhat shallow free agent group and the amount of money that every team will have we may have very little say in what we can get. Sign someone good at some position... Then figure the other stuff out.
 
This assumes he kills it in workouts.. There's a 19 y/o 6'5" combo guard that'd certainly add scoring and ballhandling, he's also a good fit next to Exum (If Exum's going to be 35+% from 3)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x__g5WXkA_I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsY7cctzu34

IMO Baldwin IV, and Demetrius Jackson (unless they crush the workouts) would be reaches from the 12th pick.. Murray would be too but his upside might legitimately be higher..

Murray can operate at warp speed.. He's built very similarly to Exum too 6'5" 6'10" wingpsan.

He's a beast at getting to the rack, and can stop on a dime for a floater on the way... He's got some 'Houdini' to his game..

Sky's the limit if his shooting keeps improving.. He can get real hot.. Hes the next in line of Jamal Crawford Protege's from Seattle..
 
I wouldn't mind adding another pick (late first or early 2nd) to pick up Murray. Draft Luwawu, trade Burke + a pick, take Murray. Gives us a wing defender that can shoot plus combo guard.
 
I see us drafting a SG or SF. The only way I see us drafting a PF is if we don't resign Booker and DL drafts a defensive-oriented PF.

But I will be surprised if it's not a SG or SF. I think Beasley & Brown will be alright but don't have high ceilings. Dejounte Murray won't do crap. I think Korkmaz has a high ceiling. I think he could be better than Hayward offensively. Korkmaz seems to have zero fear.

I still like Valentine as well.
 
kabenac said:
I see us drafting a SG or SF. The only way I see us drafting a PF is if we don't resign Booker and DL drafts a defensive-oriented PF.

But I will be surprised if it's not a SG or SF. I think Beasley & Brown will be alright but don't have high ceilings. Dejounte Murray won't do crap. I think Korkmaz has a high ceiling. I think he could be better than Hayward offensively. Korkmaz seems to have zero fear.

I still like Valentine as well.
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What about a defensive-minded center with some potential, long-term, to hit the 3?
 
Thee jazz fan said:
U have to expect a wrong step here and there. Kanter, Burke and so on, but there is also Hayward, Hood, Lyles, Exum, Favors, (traded) and Burks. No one is going to get it right 100% of the time
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That's my point. The FO/coaches have talked up Kanter and Burke just like they talk up Exum. What makes you so certain Exum pans out? What happens if Exum ends up being a fringe starter, Hayward leaves next season, and Favors leaves the season after that? Not adding talent when the opportunity presents itself is far riskier than doing nothing and hoping it works out.


Thee jazz fan said:
and again stop saying I don't think we shouldn't add talent. I just don't think we need to add a starting pg.
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Gobert-Favors-Lyles at the 4/5 and Hayward-Hood-Burks at the 2/3 are far more proven and productive than Exum-Mack-Neto at the 1. Are you also suggesting the Jazz not add starting caliber players at other positions? Do you really think the Jazz have the talent to contend now and in the future?
 
Jeffrey32 said:
I think Trey Burke would have given the Jazz more scoring and ball handling, if they let him play.
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Yeah, it's not as if he's had every opportunity over the last 3 years to prove himself. I say just give him another 5-6 years, and if he's not coming around by then, maybe it will be time to consider another direction.
 
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