Fair enough, I still get entertained conversing with you, but maybe one day ill get bored with it.
I've said this plenty but franklin is possibly my favorite poster on here.
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I've said this plenty but franklin is possibly my favorite poster on here.
DutchJazzer
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you want honest dialogue?
you really want 1?
let see if you are interested in having 1!
lets have it.
i say Hitler is left wing, because he said he is left wing. whichc can be disgarded because nowadays mens say they are women and we have trans-racial people etc.
so i give you this point i concede on this!
his party was called socialist hogwash drivel party(to lazy to search for full official name) but i concede this as north korea is called a democratic republic.
Hitler wrote a book about socialist drivel called mein kampf, which was torture for me to read through. but as the godfather once said keep your friends close but your enemys closer. meaning in my interpetation you should really know and understand your enemy, keep an eye on them. anyways you know what i will concede this point. as i can write a book about witchcraft and not be a witch.
which leaves us with policies. i say about 90%+ percent of his policies are socialist/communist/left wing policies. now here we can have the debate. if i prove to you he had way way more left wing policies it make shim left wing right?
or let's say he passes 999 left wing policies laws and regulatoins and only 1 right wing policie doe sthat make him left wing, center or right wing?
are only true left wing people, people who advocate, pass left wing policies 100% of the time. if so then nobody is a socialist and everybody is left iwng.
lets set a goal post how many policies percentage wise that are left wing should 1 pass to become a socialist. i say 50% left iwng policies 50% right wing makes you a centrist. and we move from there if you list 5 right wing policies of Hitler i will either debate them with counter arguments and prove they ar enot right wing or concede certain policies. at the end of the day if you are openminded just as i once was you will see hitler is as left wing as you get to the left of clintons. rigth where benie stands
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I am unclear why it matters where Hitler falls on the political spectrum, especially since the spectrum isn't black and white and isn't the same now as it was nearly 100 years ago. He had socialist policies, and white supremacist policies. He believed in white racial purity, while he also provided a form of universal healthcare and strong social programs to get them out of a depression.
But in this he also restricted it based on race.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_People's_Welfare
His was a strange mash-up of social programs and the worst racism ever known to mankind. I do not equate racism itself with modern right-wing politics. I think it falls out of the normal political spectrum. Just because modern racists identify with the right-wing does not mean all right-leaning people are racist.
This is a very weird topic of conversation. And really irrelevant.
But in this he also restricted it based on race.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_People's_Welfare
His was a strange mash-up of social programs and the worst racism ever known to mankind. I do not equate racism itself with modern right-wing politics. I think it falls out of the normal political spectrum. Just because modern racists identify with the right-wing does not mean all right-leaning people are racist.
This is a very weird topic of conversation. And really irrelevant.
DutchJazzer
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maybe they do not know they are on ignore.
hell i might be on your ignore llist and talking to meself right now. let me jsut like your post
DutchJazzer
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when you disagre with someone on the left. it is called among other things trolling
DutchJazzer
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it matters because at the root of the missery hitler and other socialist did lies their socialist policy.
racism is not exclusive to the right. i can be like rnad paul and think rac x or racy is is "scum". i cna be a socilaist and think means of production should belong to the people and all that socialist hogwash, but say race x or y are cockroaches and therefor do not deserve means of productions and should be exterminated
or am i missing something?
racism and nationalism/patriotism has not been left or right wing throughout history. but people screaming Hitler was right wing. makes racist think they are right wing,. and with their stupidity they think they are right wing
DutchJazzer
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It also matters because the truth is important. historical truths and facts are important, otherwise we are doomed to repeat the mistakes. as we i mena humanity, as not only hitler was involved in what happenned but a large portion of the population. it could have never happened if their was a 2nd amendment and 95% of the population disagreed with hitler.
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It has been explained in incredibly thorough scholarly detail that Hitler's fascism is extremely right wing, and not anything close to left-wing. Do a google search, and ignore all of the 4chan links that pop up.
social conservatism is absolutely correlated with racism, and social conservatism is a foundational feature of reactionary politics.
social conservatism is absolutely correlated with racism, and social conservatism is a foundational feature of reactionary politics.
Zombie
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Then why are they called the national socialist party?!?!
CH3CKMATE LIBTARDO.
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The Thriller
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Shapiro is every bit as crazy as Bannon, Miller, and Trump.
He just sounds smarter.
Racism mixed with nationalism presented with cherry picked statistics has a much more intellectual feel to it than anything Donnie says.
I have yet to read any of his twitter posts and not easily debunk them in under 3 mins. Facts are our friends people!
He just sounds smarter.
Racism mixed with nationalism presented with cherry picked statistics has a much more intellectual feel to it than anything Donnie says.
I have yet to read any of his twitter posts and not easily debunk them in under 3 mins. Facts are our friends people!
The Thriller
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I personally don't necessarily believe that conservatism is correlated in racism. But it's difficult to argue against Dala's point when the OP of this thread certainly takes a racist approach to promote his radical right wing views and pump up his mancrush, Ben Shapiro.
"When Diversity Becomes a Problem"
But remember, that's somehow not racism? I’d love for someone here to use “diversity as a problem” in a non-racist context. Right? Think about it. When is diversity a problem and when should it be discouraged without ascribing to racist viewpoints?
What next? Archie pimping "The White Man's Burden" as “intellectually stimulating?”
LMFAO...
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Thriller linking Shapiro to "nationalism" says all I need to know about how much you know about Shapiro. lol. SMH.
Archie Moses
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Have you watched his speech by chance? If so, which part do you have a problem with?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elqhp99Fz0I
If you watch that video and still think Shapiro is a nationalist or racist, you're a ****ing degenerate who hears what they want to hear. Please point out what's so offensive from Shapiro and why the left keeps trying to shut him down and labeling him as a white supremacist. The dude received the most anti-Semitic hate of all journalist in 2016. He's a Jew, married to an Israeli citizen of Moroccan descent.
If you watch that video and still think Shapiro is a nationalist or racist, you're a ****ing degenerate who hears what they want to hear. Please point out what's so offensive from Shapiro and why the left keeps trying to shut him down and labeling him as a white supremacist. The dude received the most anti-Semitic hate of all journalist in 2016. He's a Jew, married to an Israeli citizen of Moroccan descent.
DutchJazzer
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where? how come those articles do not mention hitlers countless socialist/communist/left wing laws, regulations and policies. why do they burry 12 years of socialist policies enacted by hitler!
how is gun control, comprehensive epa regulations, universal healthcare, a comprehensive social security net, a national labor union, seizing means of production and making the state run, free educatio n and all other left wing policies. not to mention blaming 1 % capitalist/jews for everything. ooh wait now bernie moved goal post and says 1/10th of 1 percent!
name me atleast 7 right wing policies of hitler. that would make him center because i just named 7. or disprove 1 and name me 6 or disprove 2 and name me 5! then if i cannot show u more left iwng polcieis enacted you win and i will move hitler from the extreme left to the center. if you give me 11 right wing policies i move him to the right!
YOU CANNOT because hitler is left wing! 1933-1945 has a **** ton of socialist polices enacted by hitler and his socialist buddies
Zombie
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Ben Shapiro may not be overtly racist, but he does argue that no such thing as institutional racism exists in America, which allows it to perpetuate.
I don't get why people are so enamoured with him. Maybe I'm missing something but he comes across to me as just a younger, slightly less blowhardy and hopefully less rapey Bill O'Reilley.
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I don't get why people are so enamoured with him. Maybe I'm missing something but he comes across to me as just a younger, slightly less blowhardy and hopefully less rapey Bill O'Reilley.
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DutchJazzer
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actually i am trying to have an honest reasonable discussion. as i said i am willing to concede certain points. him saying he is a socialist, his party being called socialist whatever, and the book he wrote about socialism. i am willing to say he is a murderer! so lying might not be a stretch for him, and would concede for the sake to advance this argument, that everything that eve rcame out of his mouth was a LIE!
so we can advance this discussion to his actual deeds. i consider enacting laws regulation and policies deeds! and if his deeds mirror those of a socialist, then wouldn't the argument be he is a socialist.
is this not reasonable to ask, we judge him by his action when he was in power form 1933 to 1945. if this is not reasonable on what merrits do we judge a person to conclude that he is a socialist!
is this a troll post, probably because it goes against your point of view. so you might consider it trolling.
please tell me how i can recognize a socialist.
dalamon is a socialist, he calls himself a socialist, he writes socialist drivel, he want socialist policies laws and regulations. but somehow when i use that reasoning on hitler it does not work!
PLEASE PLEASE TELL ME!
DutchJazzer
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wrong wing of the party, lately it seems the left wing is full of the rapey guys.
mods this is the truth, if it offend someone, atleast if i get an infraction give zombie also one, because he pointed out the rapey part
DutchJazzer
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also it is easier to say the right is racist.
for example the right says their is no such thing as hate speech. not because we want racist to say racist stuff.
but if a government gets to decide what hate speech is, it will be used to silence the political opponents.
also what might be offensive to you might not be offensive to anything. offensive speech is not universal. if i go to japan or africa somewhere and yell in the street "jews are filthy for example" it might offend nobody. but if you do it at a family party of mine. you might offend 80% of the people .
also the extreme right aka the libertarians believe you own your body and your property, you should be fre to do with your body and property whatever you want. so if you own 100.000 dollars and it is yours. you use it to build a business yu should have the right to deny anyone service. you should be allowed to have a no jews allowed sign outside. because someone ho used that 100.000 dolalr to buy a house, has every right to bar someone from entering their house baed on whatever criteria he wants be it racist or legitamte.
that is why people usually associate the right with racism. you can sya anything you want, i might not agree with it, yuou may do with your body and property as you please whether i like it or not.
the good thing is if you open a store and put no jews allowed we do not need the government to come down on hi. because that guy has the freedom to put a "no jews allowed sign"
but me and everybody else has the right to "boycot" him. because the free market will tell you just as you can do with your money body and property as you please, so can everybody else. so lots of people will chose to not go into the store!
I believe in freedom of speech and private property. that might be construed as racism these days
for example the right says their is no such thing as hate speech. not because we want racist to say racist stuff.
but if a government gets to decide what hate speech is, it will be used to silence the political opponents.
also what might be offensive to you might not be offensive to anything. offensive speech is not universal. if i go to japan or africa somewhere and yell in the street "jews are filthy for example" it might offend nobody. but if you do it at a family party of mine. you might offend 80% of the people .
also the extreme right aka the libertarians believe you own your body and your property, you should be fre to do with your body and property whatever you want. so if you own 100.000 dollars and it is yours. you use it to build a business yu should have the right to deny anyone service. you should be allowed to have a no jews allowed sign outside. because someone ho used that 100.000 dolalr to buy a house, has every right to bar someone from entering their house baed on whatever criteria he wants be it racist or legitamte.
that is why people usually associate the right with racism. you can sya anything you want, i might not agree with it, yuou may do with your body and property as you please whether i like it or not.
the good thing is if you open a store and put no jews allowed we do not need the government to come down on hi. because that guy has the freedom to put a "no jews allowed sign"
but me and everybody else has the right to "boycot" him. because the free market will tell you just as you can do with your money body and property as you please, so can everybody else. so lots of people will chose to not go into the store!
I believe in freedom of speech and private property. that might be construed as racism these days