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I would like to sign or get by trade Dragic. Martin is questionable, both because he is injury-prone and one-dimensional. I wasn't thinking of him being third-string but sharing minutes. In such a scenario, we'd probably need to release Watson or not re-sign Tinsley, and use Burks as third-string PG in addition to playing SG. Imagine having both Korver and Martin on the team as shooters though, both coming off the bench. It's probably not the best we can get for Al and Devin, though.

So far as AK, look at what Boris Diaw is doing for the Spurs, and AK is probably better than Diaw, though they are pretty close as players. I see AK in a similar role with the Jazz, mainly as a defender and rebounder, with better playmaking skills -- Diaw is probably a better rebounder because he is stronger.

If we don't sign AK or a player like him, then we might want to stick with Al and more minutes for Millsap at the 3.
 
write4u said:
I would like to sign or get by trade Dragic. Martin is questionable, both because he is injury-prone and one-dimensional. I wasn't thinking of him being third-string but sharing minutes. In such a scenario, we'd probably need to release Watson or not re-sign Tinsley, and use Burks as third-string PG in addition to playing SG. Imagine having both Korver and Martin on the team as shooters though, both coming off the bench. It's probably not the best we can get for Al and Devin, though.

So far as AK, look at what Boris Diaw is doing for the Spurs, and AK is probably better than Diaw, though they are pretty close as players. I see AK in a similar role with the Jazz, mainly as a defender and rebounder, with better playmaking skills -- Diaw is probably a better rebounder because he is stronger.

If we don't sign AK or a player like him, then we might want to stick with Al and more minutes for Millsap at the 3.
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Didn't AK commit to sign with New Jersey??
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Jefferson and next years 1st rounder (top 5 protection just in case) for Okafor and the later of New Orleans lottery picks.

Utah does it too get a lottery pick and improve defense.

New Orleans does it too give their team legitimate offense. Also Jefferson makes a good pair if they land Davis. Also, rids them of the extra year that is Okafor's contract, allowing them to potentially sign some big name FA's in 2013. Also, they get an extra 1st rounder next year to compensate for the loss of this years.
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This is about as reasonable as I've seen offered on this site so far.
 
write4u said:
I would like to sign or get by trade Dragic. Martin is questionable, both because he is injury-prone and one-dimensional. I wasn't thinking of him being third-string but sharing minutes. In such a scenario, we'd probably need to release Watson or not re-sign Tinsley, and use Burks as third-string PG in addition to playing SG. Imagine having both Korver and Martin on the team as shooters though, both coming off the bench. It's probably not the best we can get for Al and Devin, though.

So far as AK, look at what Boris Diaw is doing for the Spurs, and AK is probably better than Diaw, though they are pretty close as players. I see AK in a similar role with the Jazz, mainly as a defender and rebounder, with better playmaking skills -- Diaw is probably a better rebounder because he is stronger.

If we don't sign AK or a player like him, then we might want to stick with Al and more minutes for Millsap at the 3.
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I just want to say this nicely.....you're an idiot.


/I'm not OneBrow
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Jefferson and next years 1st rounder (top 5 protection just in case) for Okafor and the later of New Orleans lottery picks.

Utah does it too get a lottery pick and improve defense.

New Orleans does it too give their team legitimate offense. Also Jefferson makes a good pair if they land Davis. Also, rids them of the extra year that is Okafor's contract, allowing them to potentially sign some big name FA's in 2013. Also, they get an extra 1st rounder next year to compensate for the loss of this years.
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Hmm it is a decent trade idea. Basically we trading what we hope is a late first round pick for the what is likely the 10th pick at the cost of taking on Okafor's contract with one more year than Al's.

We would be giving up our chance at big money free agents after next season but Okafor's contract would end soon enough to not inhibit our ability to extend our young guys contracts. Instead of signing free agents I think we will be able to pick up assets for absorbing a bad contract or two.

So is tenth pick in this years draft more valuable than a potential long term pick? Remember that we are going to get GS pick next year if we don't get it this year.

With that trade we would be 6 lottery picks (assuming that GS is bad again) on the team and all we be younger than 23. That would be a very young team.

Hmm but in the end I think we can find a better deal out there. Someone is going to need to unload a contract or we can help a 3 team trade work.
 
Most realistic are the more or less straight swaps of Iggy/Martin. The Okafor/Varejeo/Biedrins/Gordon type deals all come with baggage, but aren't inconceivable if the sweeteners are right. Other possibility not mentioned might be Maggette.

Realistically, I don't think any of these deals are better than letting Al expire. But if you catch the right GM on the right day, you never know.
 
billyshelby said:
Most realistic are the more or less straight swaps of Iggy/Martin. The Okafor/Varejeo/Biedrins/Gordon type deals all come with baggage, but aren't inconceivable if the sweeteners are right. Other possibility not mentioned might be Maggette.

Realistically, I don't think any of these deals are better than letting Al expire. But if you catch the right GM on the right day, you never know.
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Why in the world would The Sixers trade Jefferson for AI? Sixers already have the most unathletic front court in the league with Hawes/Brand (Brand mostly because of chronic back injuries). They'll be playing in slow motion with Big Al added to that mix.

I put forth the AJ for Martin trade last year; but the more I think about it, the less I like it. K-Mart is essentially the Al Jefferson of shooting guards. Always puts up big numbers for losers - never seems like he's quite into it. Not to mention Martin's percentages are not that good - his big numbers come with big volume shooting.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Jefferson and next years 1st rounder (top 5 protection just in case) for Okafor and the later of New Orleans lottery picks.

Utah does it too get a lottery pick and improve defense.

New Orleans does it too give their team legitimate offense. Also Jefferson makes a good pair if they land Davis. Also, rids them of the extra year that is Okafor's contract, allowing them to potentially sign some big name FA's in 2013. Also, they get an extra 1st rounder next year to compensate for the loss of this years.
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candrew said:
Jefferson for Okafur is on my short list.

With varying degrees of plausibility/excitement here are a few others:

Jefferson to Cleveland for Anderson Varejao and a pick - Cleveland deparately needs scoring.. My guess is they'd rather have Jefferson for one year than try to resign Antawn Jamison. And by the time they get good again Varejao would probably be too old to contribute. A Favors/Varejao front court would be almost as good as Favors/Okafur

Jefferson to Detroit for Ben Gordon - Detroit is bottom tier team that is paying Gordon 13 mil to split SG minutes. Detroit has 20+ mil tied up in Gordon and Villanueva in 2013-14. They'd probably love to get rid of one if not both of them. Detriot gets an expiring and The Jazz get a legit 3 point shooter with a rep as a clutch shooter and a proven playoff performer (unlike Kevin Martin)

Jefferson to GS for Andres Biedrins and Brandon Rush (sign/trade). GSW has a **** load of money tied up in Bogut/Lee/Jefferson and Biedrins over the next two years. They risk going way, way over the cap matching Curry when he's an RFA after next year. I'd rather have Lee than Biedrins; but I don't think that's realistic
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While this deal puts more talent on the floor than a deal with HOU for KMart, I still rank the HOU trade higher because it doesn't interfere with '13. That's a big deal. And, I think it's a big deal to KOC.

I suppose this same statement applies to a Ben Gordon deal.
 
candrew said:
Why in the world would The Sixers trade Jefferson for AI? Sixers already have the most unathletic front court in the league with Hawes/Brand (Brand mostly because of chronic back injuries). They'll be playing in slow motion with Big Al added to that mix.

I put forth the AJ for Martin trade last year; but the more I think about it, the less I like it. K-Mart is essentially the Al Jefferson of shooting guards. Always puts up big numbers for losers - never seems like he's quite into it. Not to mention Martin's percentages are not that good - his big numbers come with big volume shooting.
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You're right, it's not realistic that the Sixers would go for it. They'd have to be shipping out other pieces because Al effectively kills minutes for Hawes/Vucevik. But if Hawes wasn't brought back, and they could land a 4 to start next to Al, I could see them shifting Brand to the bench and playing him and Al together as little as possible. Very unlikely scenario.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Jefferson and next years 1st rounder (top 5 protection just in case) for Okafor and the later of New Orleans lottery picks.

Utah does it too get a lottery pick and improve defense.

New Orleans does it too give their team legitimate offense. Also Jefferson makes a good pair if they land Davis. Also, rids them of the extra year that is Okafor's contract, allowing them to potentially sign some big name FA's in 2013. Also, they get an extra 1st rounder next year to compensate for the loss of this years.
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I like this trade.
 
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