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why is Hayward better at SG. Isn't he 6-8?

seems to me that the Jazz are very tall at the 2 and 3 with hayward, Miles, Ak, and Burk, and getting taller at the 4 and 5 too.
If Burk really can play PG, that could be interesting also.

I'm not sure that having a super tall team is a good thing, but with Hayward, Favors, Kanter, and Burk all on board, it will be interesting to see all these players compete for playing time.
 
northeast said:
why is Hayward better at SG. Isn't he 6-8?

seems to me that the Jazz are very tall at the 2 and 3 with hayward, Miles, Ak, and Burk, and getting taller at the 4 and 5 too.
If Burk really can play PG, that could be interesting also.

I'm not sure that having a super tall team is a good thing, but with Hayward, Favors, Kanter, and Burk all on board, it will be interesting to see all these players compete for playing time.
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The thing is, what i have seen so far in the last year, Hayward has a pretty good advantage at 2 and he uses this well. He gave even kobe hard time in both ends. But at 3, he will have more difficulty defending players like lebron, carmelo, durant ...
Unless Burks turns out to be a very very good player, we better play hayward at 2 and get a good complementary piece at SF.
 
Again, isn't Hayward about the same size as Carmelo and Lebron? We could put Favors or AK on Durant if that is better, but you don't dictate your entire lineup to match up against one player on one team.
 
northeast said:
Again, isn't Hayward about the same size as Carmelo and Lebron? We could put Favors or AK on Durant if that is better, but you don't dictate your entire lineup to match up against one player on one team.
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not same size as lebron for sure. And its not only about one player on one team, i can count many other players, his defense is not bad, but unless we have wade, joe johnson or kobe at 2, we will have more advantage to play hayward at 2 and a decent guy at 3 instead of hayward at 3 and a decent guy at 2. its my opinion
 
It's interesting to debate line ups and say who should be the SG or who should be the SF. In the case of Hayward and Burks, I don't think it will matter so much. Both are versatile. I think, until Burks fills out his frame a little more and gets from his 193 to about the 205-215lbs range, he'll be better off guarding the 2 because he'll get pushed around by Kobe and Shawn Marion and those types, the 3's that are in the 220's. Hayward came into the league at 211, so he's a little bigger to be able to guard those guys.
 
Yeah, not to mention that according to Hayward himself he has gained 20 lbs of muscle this off-season. Sounds like he is preparing himself to be a 3.
 
Lebron is listed at 6-8, same as Hayward.
Lebron is heavier , but that is to be expected, because Hayward is much younger.

Kobe is listed at 6-6.
Wade at 6-4.
Burk at 6-6.

To me, 6-8 suggest a forward position.

If Hayward can guard SGs, great. If so, I'd like to see him learn to post his man up right under the basket.
 
Kobe is probably closer to 6'8" in shoes. He looked pretty close to the same height as Hayward during that game where Gordon kicked his arse.

I think it makes sense to think that if Hayward and Burks are going to be on the court at the same time, Burks will guard the opposing teams SG and Hayward will guard the SF. If either is out there with Andrei (if he comes back) or Millsap (if he attempts to move to SF) then either would be the SG in that line up. At this point we don't know what kind of defensive player Burks will be. It may be that he's somewhat of a liability in technique or effort, at which point they may decide matchup's based on ability more so than size. It'll be interesting to see what Alec brings to the table. Hopefully he'll emerge as at least a decent defensive player.
 
Lebron: 6'7.25" without shoes, wingspan of 7'0.25", standing reach of 8'10.25"
Hayward: 6'6.75" without shoes, wingspan of 6'7.75", standing reach of 8'7"

Lebron's wingspan is 4.5 inches greater and his standing reach is 3.25 inches greater. Add in the fact that James' measurements were taken right out of high school and he could have grown a tiny bit since then AND that he's athletically superior to Hayward in every way and he has great advantage if Hayward is set to defend him as a small forward. Typically young wings are quite green as rookies. Hayward should start at the 2 this year but perhaps Burks will develop and supplant him, thus shifting Hayward to the 3 or as a 6th man, or even develop to the point that he becomes our point guard as has been suggested. With guys like Westbrook and Rose nowadays, that would be my preference.
 
because some people are arguing that 6-8 is too small to play SF.
Because I keep hearing that Hayward at 6-8 is pegged at SG and not SF.

DeShawn Stevenson was able to guard LeBron quite effectively to help his team beat Miami in the finals.
Hayward is bigger than DeShawn.

I'd like the Jazz to find one guy to play a Jason Terry role. Dallas and Miami were the top two team in the league this year. Neither of them got there with an entire team of guys 6-6 and up. Both would not have got there without big contributions from guards that are not that tall.
 
We only have to concern ourselves with Lebron if the Jazz are in the finals anyway, and he didn't know how to handle being guarded by Jason Kidd and JJ Barea when it was all said and done. Lebron can beat anyone in the NBA physically, but you can get inside his head.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Why are we comparing Hayward to one of the best SF's ever?
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You could say the same thing about Lebron...

but in all serious, you don't need a tremendous amount of bulk to play SF effectively on D... PF, sure... but length counts for a great deal and Hayward has it. If lebron wants to post Hayward up, switch to a zone and see how he likes the Georgian twins on him. Defense is a mindset, not an attribute.
 
northeast said:
because some people are arguing that 6-8 is too small to play SF.
Because I keep hearing that Hayward at 6-8 is pegged at SG and not SF.
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It has nothing to do with how tall he is. Its about his weight and strength, He isn't strong enough to keep a guy from pushing him around to get good position or to be able to mussel him out of the way. Same way Deron did with smaller PG's. Lebron, Carmello just have there way with Hayward due to weight and strength differential. As a SG Hayward is quick enough and long enough to stay in front of them. Most SG don't have the Size and strength together to be able to dominate him like SF do.
 
(a) I think Hayward is stronger than you think.
(b) I've seen lots of thin SFs.
(c) The refs aren't supposed to let players win by just pushing people around, that's supposed to be a foul
 
northeast said:
(a) I think Hayward is stronger than you think.
(b) I've seen lots of thin SFs.
(c) The refs aren't supposed to let players win by just pushing people around, that's supposed to be a foul
(d) He's going to add weight, if he hasn't already.
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a) I think Hayward is strong. But I also watched Carmello and Lebron throw him around and saw him pick up 2 really quick fouls while guarding them.
b) But there are more short SG's that he can shoot over and has better length to cover
c) This is the NBA we are talking about. When do Lebron or Carmello ever not get the call to go there way?
d) I agree that there is a good chance he adds weight and well be very effective guarding a 3. But he is never going to be 260 like Bron or Melo and still have the quickness he has right now. Hayward has an advantage playing against SG's on both offense and defense due to his height and quickness. Those advantages go away against SF's. The reason to play him at SG is because he causes miss matches that he doesn't cause playing against SF's
 
Whatever anyone thinks about Hayward's ability to play D is based on watching him play 3's. So I don't know how anyone has figured out he can absolutely guard 2's.
 
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