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Devin Harris on Al Jefferson: Jazz fans will be surprised if they see him

dalamon said:
Glad you're owning up to it.
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Why wouldn't I? I don't win anything for tricking people. I'm all for honest discussion.

I understand I can be overly aggressive at times, and realize that that sort of behavior isn't conducive to a good discussion. I try to be honest, and apologize when I've gone too far with my attacks (although this doesn't hold when the attacks are in response to unprovoked, inappropriate attacks or, occasionally, when I'm arguing with someone I feel is generally dishonest and unfair). I try to stay flexible, and change my mind when presented with a compelling argument.

I'd love to see Big Al come back in shape and ready to kick *** whenever basketball resumes. Truly. It's much easier to fix a log jam of productive players than unproductive players (in terms of what can be had on the trade market).

With all that said, I think Paul Millsap has proven that he is one of the best role players in the NBA. Is he, or will he ever be, a superstar? Probably not, but you can expect efficiency, hard work, toughness and very smart team play from him consistently. He's worth (relatively speaking) every dollar he makes.

I'm not sold on Big Al being the star he's paid to be. If he were able to fit in as a very good role player, that wouldn't be such a problem, but he hasn't shown nearly the same ability as Millsap to fit a winning role on a winning team for a whole season. If he either gets a lot more efficient offensively or becomes a better team basketball player, he could be a keeper for sure, as he certainly can do some things that good basketball teams need (and that Paul Millsap isn't best at).
 
GVC said:
With all that said, I think Paul Millsap has proven that he is one of the best role players in the NBA. Is he, or will he ever be, a superstar? Probably not, but you can expect efficiency, hard work, toughness and very smart team play from him consistently. He's worth (relatively speaking) every dollar he makes.

I'm not sold on Big Al being the star he's paid to be. If he were able to fit in as a very good role player, that wouldn't be such a problem, but he hasn't shown nearly the same ability as Millsap to fit a winning role on a winning team for a whole season. If he either gets a lot more efficient offensively or becomes a better team basketball player, he could be a keeper for sure, as he certainly can do some things that good basketball teams need (and that Paul Millsap isn't best at).
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I totally agree
 
I think Jefferson has the mindset and the ability to do whatever his coach wants on the court. However...
In looking into the crystal ball, I'd think the best possible future for us with current roster is Kanter and Favors starting. Both Millsap at PF and Jefferson at C are undersized and ultimately would be better off the bench. Now how long it takes for them to develop, who knows, but I'm sure the Jazz brass are painfully aware of us being undersized down in the paint. We are just being manhandled by most of these young much bigger and agile guys coming into the NBA the last few years.
 
I would not only like to wish everybody a happy halloween, but also give my best wishes to Mrs. GVC. and Mrs. Billyshelby! This post has brought love to this website, and apparently will never die as long as these two individuals continue arguing like they are a 156 year old couple that have been married for 127 years. I wish them my love, and hopefully will work their differences out within the next 124 pages. Hopefully their noth planning the names of thier children together. If they mix thiem together, MRS GVSHELBY-BILLY-C. Does not have the best ring to it. I hope I am invited to their marriage, and hopefully they are divorced soon after so that we may never witness this type of love-hate relationship ever again. - Amen
 
NotDeadYet said:
I think Jefferson has the mindset and the ability to do whatever his coach wants on the court. However...
In looking into the crystal ball, I'd think the best possible future for us with current roster is Kanter and Favors starting. Both Millsap at PF and Jefferson at C are undersized and ultimately would be better off the bench. Now how long it takes for them to develop, who knows, but I'm sure the Jazz brass are painfully aware of us being undersized down in the paint. We are just being manhandled by most of these young much bigger and agile guys coming into the NBA the last few years.
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I still see kanter as a PF skill set, even though he's an inch taller than jefferson.

I sometimes worry we will be having 4 PF's manning the front court
 
NotDeadYet said:
I think Jefferson has the mindset and the ability to do whatever his coach wants on the court. However...
In looking into the crystal ball, I'd think the best possible future for us with current roster is Kanter and Favors starting. Both Millsap at PF and Jefferson at C are undersized and ultimately would be better off the bench. Now how long it takes for them to develop, who knows, but I'm sure the Jazz brass are painfully aware of us being undersized down in the paint. We are just being manhandled by most of these young much bigger and agile guys coming into the NBA the last few years.
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Jefferson has better reach, standing vert and consequently about 3" no step vert reach on Kanter, at least coming out he did.

https://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?year=All&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=5&source=All&sort=11

Maybe after that knee injury it's closer but I doubt it. Jefferson has a very good ability to quickly get a hand pretty high up. Not to mention before multiple hijacks the OP was about AJ's supposed improved basketball body.

Kanter's measurables are not his strongest suit. If he ends up a better defender than Al it won't be because of what he was born with.

Derrick Favors of course is in orbit above both of these guys and on the moon compared to Sap, comparable to Howard, McGee and Okafor.
 
Brown Notes said:
Jefferson has better reach, standing vert and consequently about 3" no step vert reach on Kanter, at least coming out he did.

https://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?year=All&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=5&source=All&sort=11

Maybe after that knee injury it's closer but I doubt it. Jefferson has a very good ability to quickly get a hand pretty high up. Not to mention before multiple hijacks the OP was about AJ's supposed improved basketball body.

Kanter's measurables are not his strongest suit. If he ends up a better defender than Al it won't be because of what he was born with.

Derrick Favors of course is in orbit above both of these guys and on the moon compared to Sap, comparable to Howard, McGee and Okafor.
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I'm not a participant in the Jefferson vs. Kanter debate. Mostly because I believe Kanter needs time to develop, but also because I'm patient enough to wait and see.
Having said that, the 'rest' of the story is Kanter benched 14 to Al's 3. Kanter max vert is 2.5" greater. Kanter measured a full inch and a half taller. Kanter had lane agility of 11.3 to 13.08 for Al. What does all that mean? Squat. Let's throw it up and see how it goes.
 
Lakers_Slapper said:
I would not only like to wish everybody a happy halloween, but also give my best wishes to Mrs. GVC. and Mrs. Billyshelby! This post has brought love to this website, and apparently will never die as long as these two individuals continue arguing like they are a 156 year old couple that have been married for 127 years. I wish them my love, and hopefully will work their differences out within the next 124 pages. Hopefully their noth planning the names of thier children together. If they mix thiem together, MRS GVSHELBY-BILLY-C. Does not have the best ring to it. I hope I am invited to their marriage, and hopefully they are divorced soon after so that we may never witness this type of love-hate relationship ever again. - Amen
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You should wish me happy birthday man, it is on halloween or it was already )
 
Brown Notes said:
Jefferson has better reach, standing vert and consequently about 3" no step vert reach on Kanter, at least coming out he did.

https://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?year=All&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=5&source=All&sort=11

Maybe after that knee injury it's closer but I doubt it. Jefferson has a very good ability to quickly get a hand pretty high up. Not to mention before multiple hijacks the OP was about AJ's supposed improved basketball body.

Kanter's measurables are not his strongest suit. If he ends up a better defender than Al it won't be because of what he was born with.

Derrick Favors of course is in orbit above both of these guys and on the moon compared to Sap, comparable to Howard, McGee and Okafor.
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I don't know about the offense but i am 100% sure Kanter will be a better defender than him
 
PKM said:
I'm not a participant in the Jefferson vs. Kanter debate. Mostly because I believe Kanter needs time to develop, but also because I'm patient enough to wait and see.
Having said that, the 'rest' of the story is Kanter benched 14 to Al's 3. Kanter max vert is 2.5" greater. Kanter measured a full inch and a half taller. Kanter had lane agility of 11.3 to 13.08 for Al. What does all that mean? Squat. Let's throw it up and see how it goes.
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The post was in refute of the idea that Kanter will be a superior defender due to being 1 1/4 inch taller. IMO no step vertical reach, standing reach and wingspan are much more important than height.

It is also my opinion that Kanter will develop into a better player practicing with Jefferson over the next year and a half or so than being handed 30+ minutes a game.
 
Brown Notes said:
The post was in refute of the idea that Kanter will be a superior defender due to being 1 1/4 inch taller. IMO no step vertical reach, standing reach and wingspan are much more important than height.

It is also my opinion that Kanter will develop into a better player practicing with Jefferson over the next year and a half or so than being handed 30+ minutes a game.
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Agree with all of that.
 
sepanol said:
Anyway you gotta make choices, after 3-4 years from now, we cant keep all the guys we have right now. We dont have a guarantee Kanter or Favors will be very good players, but it is a high possiblity that they will be. And it is not a bad idea to start guys who have potential right now if we are a rebuilding team. If you think like that, then it was a bad idea that Oklahoma gave all the responsibility to Durant and Westbrook as soon as they get drafted
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You are discounting the fact that there was a learning curve for Al Jefferson to learn the offense. Playing for teams like Boston and Minnesota for your first 5 or 6 years is more then enough to break any player. Before he came to Ut. He never had any kind of structured offense, of course he struggled to start the season. As the year went on he learned the offense and ended the season on a high note. Thanks for proving that he does have b-ball iq. The fact that he started slow and never gave in shows he has character.

Sepanol said He watched a lot of Al Jefferson play. If that is true, he would know Al's biggest strength was his midrange game. Anyone who watched him shoot can tell he has as soft a touch on his J as anyone on the Jazz. If you do watch as many games as you say you do, then you need to have your eyes examined.
 
GVC said:
Come one now. That's just ridiculous.
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Ok, so you are going to come on here and make an irrational statement like that, like a little 5 yr. old.

If you watch the games you will clearly see he is a good capable shooter from 15 to 20 feet. That 15 footer was his best goto move.

Clearly you are not very objective on this matter. Al is very smooth and plays a finesse style. He's not a power player it's all about fakes and setting up his inside game with drop steps and the midrange game. He is a very good ft shooter from the line. His style is closer to Duncan, and nothing like shaq or Dwight Howard who are power players who can't shoot past 5 feet.

You sir are ridiculous!
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Ok, so you are going to come on here and make an irrational statement like that, like a little 5 yr. old.

If you watch the games you will clearly see he is a good capable shooter from 15 to 20 feet. That 15 footer was his best goto move.

Clearly you are not very objective on this matter. Al is very smooth and plays a finesse style. He's not a power player it's all about fakes and setting up his inside game with drop steps and the midrange game. He is a very good ft shooter from the line. His style is closer to Duncan, and nothing like shaq or Dwight Howard who are power players who can't shoot past 5 feet.

You sir are ridiculous!
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lol.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Ok, so you are going to come on here and make an irrational statement like that, like a little 5 yr. old.

If you watch the games you will clearly see he is a good capable shooter from 15 to 20 feet. That 15 footer was his best goto move.

Clearly you are not very objective on this matter. Al is very smooth and plays a finesse style. He's not a power player it's all about fakes and setting up his inside game with drop steps and the midrange game. He is a very good ft shooter from the line. His style is closer to Duncan, and nothing like shaq or Dwight Howard who are power players who can't shoot past 5 feet.

You sir are ridiculous!
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Excuse me? You said he has as soft a touch on his J as anyone on the team (that is, you didn't just say he was a capable shooter). While the stats on jump shooting may not be perfect, they do exist, and they certainly don't support your retarded conclusion.

Go over to 82games.com and look at effective field goal percentage on jump shots. You should see just about everyone on the Jazz score better than Jefferson. You're claiming I'm not being objective, yet the objective measures all disagree with your assertion. Are you sure you're being objective? Are you sure you're not the ridiculous one?
 
Thee jazz fan said:

Sepanol said He watched a lot of Al Jefferson play. If that is true, he would know Al's biggest strength was his midrange game. Anyone who watched him shoot can tell he has as soft a touch on his J as anyone on the Jazz. If you do watch as many games as you say you do, then you need to have your eyes examined.
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Soft touch? You mean Big Al or am i mistaking?

He may be a good finisher under the rim but that doesn't make him have a good touch. And his shooting is so inconsistent. Even Favors find the bucket in couple of times 15 20 feet but that doesn't make him a good shooter. That Boozer who sucks in most aspects of the game indeed has a good mid range jump shot and maybe even millsap but not Big Al at all. I think you see only the possessions that he scored, not the ones he missed
 
Once Big Al got comfortable in the Jazz offensive system towards the end of the season, he was easily our most potent scorer. Unfortunately, our team defense started so-so and went downhill.
Kanter has the potential IN THE FUTURE to be a very good player for us. Not likely this year or even next though, IMO... I say the same with Favors; he's very gifted, but hasn't AS YET shown the competitive fire in the belly to be a starter. I think IN TIME he will... Remember, Kanter and Favors are both very young; giv'em time to grow!!
 
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