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Did Exum really say that???!!!???

We need to run a two point offence with Exum making the plays where Burke is a finisher. If Burke gets shut down then there will be another man open. Spurs ball all the way. This will also open up Hayward and the rest of the team as well.
Exam is the new Penny Hardaway.
 
[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];879001 said:
Here's the whole quote. I, for one, am shocked that hotttdrammma didn't post it.


(he's probably responding to a question about his lackluster statline. The form of his answer suggests he was responding to some kind of lazy accusation about his adjustment to the NBA game.... after a couple of summer league games.... Stupid.)

Dante just needs to learn where he'll catch it, and how to take over from there. He admits this. He doesn't get to be as ball-dominant here, but he won't be playing a traditional 2, either. And, BTW, he wouldn't get to be as ball-dominant ANYWHERE in the NBA -- at least at this point in his career.

There is literally nothing to see in this thread.
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Good post.

When I read the initial post by KKK, I assumed there was more and that Dante was being self-critical rather than crying about Burke or the offense.
 
da ThRONe said:
I don't have a problem with people being encouraged by what they see from Exum. I just think there's is a double standard on this board as it pertains to Burke with a lot of the poster here. Saying that Exam is better not having seen him in an actual game is a huge stretch. Especially when Exum had a poor SL statically as well.
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This was Burke's 2nd Summer league. He should be out their controlling the game and playing at NBA starter abilities. Instead he shot terrible, did not make plays for his teammates and looked like crap. Exum was in his 1st SL as a 19 year old. He showed superior passing to Burke, And ran the team pretty well. He has a lot of room to grow but as a PG he's got more talent than Burke all while being seemingly on the same level as Burke right now.
 
I was waiting for the Dante-Trey question,” Snyder said with a smile when asked about the duo. “I’ve talked about this every time we play, every time we practice. To me, there aren’t positions in basketball. If you have five guys on the floor that can defend the five guys on the other team, it doesn’t matter whether you call them ones, twos, threes, fours or fives. Those two guys, I think, can match up defensively with other guards and if they can play together, which I think they can, they really present a matchup problem. I do think that they can be a unique backcourt. And in my mind I see them as a backcourt, as opposed to a one and a two or a three.”
Read more at https://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-pm-utah-jazz-assemble-promising-core/#0Lwqjbu0UY7lisdC.99
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Quinn's system doesn't recognize "PG".
 
gregbroncs said:
This was Burke's 2nd Summer league. He should be out their controlling the game and playing at NBA starter abilities. Instead he shot terrible, did not make plays for his teammates and looked like crap. Exum was in his 1st SL as a 19 year old. He showed superior passing to Burke, And ran the team pretty well. He has a lot of room to grow but as a PG he's got more talent than Burke all while being seemingly on the same level as Burke right now.
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This.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Quinn's system doesn't recognize "PG".
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Well one of them would need to become a much better shooter then. And that should be the guy with less passing ability. So if Burke wants minutes he should really work on shooting better than he has so far in 2 summer leagues and one NBA season.
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Actually they both probably need to become much better shooters.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
I was referring to how Exum was being blamed for that 4 point quarter. No one player can be the reason. Please read carefully.


Also I never blame Burke for Exum's comment. All I'm saying is Burke won't relinguish the PG duty and to me Exum is a better playmaker at the point therefore I think Burke should go.


Where exactly is the double standard?
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You mean Burke isn't going to just lay down and give Exum the starting job?

What an ******* Burke is.
 
When I think of Exum starting and having primary responsibility for advancing the ball from the inbound, I think of Smart manhandling him in the u-19 tournament. That isn't going to get fixed in one summer. Burke rarely get turned over. I'm not yet comfortable with Exum crossing the timeline with pressure by some of the NBA's best. He will fix that though.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
If you cannot seriously see the potential Exum has over Burke in the long run then I don't know what to say.


- Exum has elite length at the PG position.

- Exum is already a better defender there.

- Exum looks to pass first whereas Burke looks to score (and doing so appallingly as he cannot get to the FT line even if his life was depended on it).

- Exum is quicker - so if nothing's on, with the ball already in his hand, he can just attack the basket (which he did numerous times, ending up with him going to the FT most every time)

- Exum has a much better court vision as a PG that is vital.


Sure, Exum wasn't great shooting in the SL, but his passing & attacking the basket more than made up for it. Also his shot isn't broken like Rubio, so I have complete faith that the coaching staff will work with him.


I don't hate my BMW (Burke), we if there is a race and I have a much faster Porsche 911 out back (Exum) why not use it????
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1st most of these things other than height and quickness really can't be valided until it's done against real NBA players. I completely disagree that Exam court vision is better than Burke. I really don't even know where this idea comes from that Burke has court vision/awareness problems. He only lead the team in APG. After a year in Michigan where he set the single season record for assist.

It's 5 SL games that saw Exam struggle statically. And while I'll be the first to admit stats in the summer league isn't what you base your evaluation on making such definitive statements off of SL is about as illogical/ inaccurate as judging a players SL performance off of stats alone.
 
gregbroncs said:
This was Burke's 2nd Summer league. He should be out their controlling the game and playing at NBA starter abilities. Instead he shot terrible, did not make plays for his teammates and looked like crap. Exum was in his 1st SL as a 19 year old. He showed superior passing to Burke, And ran the team pretty well. He has a lot of room to grow but as a PG he's got more talent than Burke all while being seemingly on the same level as Burke right now.
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Burke was passing well and running a tight ship. The problem was that he might as well been passing to a mailbox because the scrubs couldn't finish. I honestly can't believe we couldn't get better players on our SL team, with there being roster spots available (moreso at the time.)
 
framer said:
Burke was passing well and running a tight ship. The problem was that he might as well been passing to a mailbox because the scrubs couldn't finish. I honestly can't believe we couldn't get better players on our SL team, with there being roster spots available (moreso at the time.)
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I don't think anyone is saying Burke can't pass, we're just saying Exum's passing has been way better. And this is comparing a guy who played 2/3 of an NBA season last year and a guy who hasn't played for 12 months.
 
da ThRONe said:
1st most of these things other than height and quickness really can't be valided until it's done against real NBA players. I completely disagree that Exam court vision is better than Burke. I really don't even know where this idea comes from that Burke has court vision/awareness problems. He only lead the team in APG. After a year in Michigan where he set the single season record for assist.

It's 5 SL games that saw Exam struggle statically. And while I'll be the first to admit stats in the summer league isn't what you base your evaluation on making such definitive statements off of SL is about as illogical/ inaccurate as judging a players SL performance off of stats alone.
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I don't think anyone is saying Burke can't pass, we're just saying Exum's passing has been way better. And this is comparing a guy who played 2/3 of an NBA season last year and a guy who hasn't played for 12 months.
 
gregbroncs said:
This was Burke's 2nd Summer league. He should be out their controlling the game and playing at NBA starter abilities. Instead he shot terrible, did not make plays for his teammates and looked like crap. Exum was in his 1st SL as a 19 year old. He showed superior passing to Burke, And ran the team pretty well. He has a lot of room to grow but as a PG he's got more talent than Burke all while being seemingly on the same level as Burke right now.
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This is your opinion and your entitled to it, but I disagree. And we'll just have to agree to disagree as there's no tangible stat you can point to that says Burke failed to "set up teammates" while Exum excelled at it. Again if that's what you saw it's what you saw, but Trey looked really good for the most part even given the amount of time he spent on the court with guys that weren't even good SL players. Can't deny he shot the ball poor and for him that will have to be his bread and butter in this league if he wants to be special and not just serviceable.

To me last year Trey showed to glaring weakness that would prevent him from being special. Poor shooting(which I believe was a mixture of things some Trey's fault some other was just bad luck, and a awful system) and the other was horrible defense. Trey still shot poor but shooting IMO is the easiest thing to correct(I don't really think Trey needs to much work at worst just clean somethings up). However defensively he looked like a totally different player that to me was the biggest thing I took away about Burke from the SL.
 
da ThRONe said:
This is where IMO the logical hate for Burke is evident. Exum shoots poorly nobody cares. Burke shoots poorly and this the type of shooter he is his entire career. Burke has flashes of being a superstar while running a God awful system and splitting ball handling duty with Hayward(while he posted mostly career lows in efficiency) and he's trash. Exum plays 5 SL games shows some good things, but otherwise puts in poor stats and he's the next Penny Hardaway.
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Anyone who gives up on a player like Burke would regret a lot after.
 
According to Locke, Burke was the 5th worst offensive players in the NBA last year (more than 18 mpg, more than 50 games).


Not hating on the guy, but not saying he's our future neither. Sorry.
 
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