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infection said:
I just don't understand the logic in trading Rudy to pick up a couple pieces that (just throwing out a guess) have about a 20% chance of being 70% of the player Rudy is. Maybe there's a 5% chance that those moves make us better in the future, and about a 95% chance they make us worse now and then. Hyperbole, but probably not by much. If you'll recall, we spent a year tanking for Wiggins/Jabari and got Exum. That's a lot of time to invest in something that, at the drop of a hat or fall of the ping pong balls, can turn to hot trash.
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Good point regarding the volatility of prospects but we would have multiple chances to hit on high-end talent with the acquired assets + our own likely top 10 pick(s) rather than tanking for a specific player.
 
karl malone said:
Good point regarding the volatility of prospects but we would have multiple chances to hit on high-end talent with the acquired assets + our own likely top 10 pick(s) rather than tanking for a specific player.
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The other problem you have is they need to have another teams pick because if Rudy is there they will more than likely not be in the top 10 and possibly not even in the lottery.


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You dont trade Gobert for another two years.

Two years from now KD/KT's contracts are up with GSW. By then we will know if they are human and if those two both decide to stay.

If they do, and the Jazz have regressed, then you can start thinking about trading Gobert.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
You dont trade Gobert for another two years.

Two years from now KD/KT's contracts are up with GSW. By then we will know if they are human and if those two both decide to stay.

If they do, and the Jazz have regressed, then you can start thinking about trading Gobert.
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I would understand the conversation at that point but I can say I don't think trading him increases our title chances enough over having him to even entertain the idea. I'd like to see him spend his whole career here.


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MattNie said:
Philly wasn't starting with a player like Rudy though they were trying to find one.




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He is one of the premier young building blocks for sure, I'm just skeptical that we can afford to play it safe. His talent likely justifies at least giving it a shot but starting the transition a year (or 2) too late could potentially prohibit us from contending in the long-run IMO.
 
Facepalm. Another "should we trade our only generational talent for another player that might be half as good in 5 years?".
 
Siro said:
Facepalm. Another "should we trade our only generational talent for another player that might be half as good in 5 years?".
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I think it's just overreaction for losing Hayward for nothing. You just have to hope you get lucky sometimes. Winning a championship isn't easy or everyone would do it.


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MattNie said:
The other problem you have is they need to have another teams pick because if Rudy is there they will more than likely not be in the top 10 and possibly not even in the lottery.


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BOS is the only team I really see as a match, which is likely another reason this won't happen. They have a tremendous surplus of high-end assets/future draft picks, a need for a defensive Center, & a desire to contend now.
 
karl malone said:
BOS is the only team I really see as a match, which is likely another reason this won't happen. They have a tremendous surplus of high-end assets/future draft picks, a need for a defensive Center, & a desire to contend now.
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They would have to get close to the salary also. If they traded Rudy to Boston right now the arena may be torched and the team forced to move.


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MattNie said:
I think it's just overreaction for losing Hayward for nothing. You just have to hope you get lucky sometimes. Winning a championship isn't easy or everyone would do it.


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I don't think it's an overreaction, I think it's a realistic take on our current roster/asset situation. Of course luck is involved but this move is about increasing that luck. While we would be lowering our floor considerably, I do believe it gives us a higher likelihood of eventually reaching that championship caliber ceiling.
 
karl malone said:
I don't think it's an overreaction, I think it's a realistic take on our current roster/asset situation. Of course luck is involved but this move is about increasing that luck. While we would be lowering our floor considerably, I do believe it gives us a higher likelihood of eventually reaching that championship caliber ceiling.
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I just don't think the gamble is even close to worth it. Philly had all sorts of high pics for years now and they are finally at a point where people are getting excited if things work out. Still don't even know if it will get anywhere.


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MattNie said:
I just don't think the gamble is even close to worth it. Philly had all sorts of high pics for years now and they are finally at a point where people are getting excited if things work out. Still don't even know if it will get anywhere.


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We would be starting with a significantly better foundation of talent/assets though. I believe we are in a likely position to pull off a quick rebuild.
 
If Rudy were 29 or 30 I think it's a conversation to be had but I just don't think you can entertain trading a guy like him who is still on the rise. We don't even know how good he's going to be yet.

Also the Rudy Gobert thread of him moving up the jazz all time center list is reason enough to keep him.


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Yep, you don't trade a young top ten player in the NBA on a good contract that is happy playing for his current team. That would be the dumbest move ever for a team.

What are you hoping to find in the draft? A player you can hope to get lucky and develop into a top ten talent to build around?

We have our star player, now we need to build around him. Hope we can develop other players into tier two and three level players or trade for one.

Besides Boston isn't making a fair trade if we wanted to give up Gobert. And no other team has assets worth trading him for that would. There is no reasonable deal out there. There is no chance you get fair value for dumping a star.

Haywood also might not want to play with Gobert hence him being in a different team.
 
I just feel like we're putting too many eggs in a single basket but if that's the strategy we go with, there aren't many better baskets out there
 
LoPo said:
We need to build around Gobert, Hood, Rubio, Exum and Mitchell. We need to shed every single tradeable piece that can get us an asset to put with them. We simply have to have more at SF/PF.

I know y'all are tired of the Laker or other scenarios. But we have the core that doesn't include Favors, JoeJ, and Diaw. Use those expirings to get that SF or PF asset we have to have for the future. Take a bad contract. We have the money. We are cheap and we have space under the cap and luxury.

Adding David Lee, Mbah a Moute, or other mediocre wings do nothing for us long term.



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No, Utah doesn't have space for a bad contract. They're at the cap now and are in very bad shape for next year. Exum has cap hold of $15M. Hood has a cap hold of $7M.

There are only two players on the Jazz who are or may be worth building around: Gobert and Mitchell. Exum MIGHT be; we'll see. Those three have elite defensive skills. Hood is expendable and will be paid more than what he's worth. Rodney is much like Favors; talented, but has a very passive personality. Rubio is a very good PG, but you can't keep everyone. Probably comes down to him or Exum as Utah's PG. I know it was only SL, but we saw some potential in an Exum/Mitchell backcourt.

I agree with not taking on mediocre wings. Jazz need legit starters at PF and SF. Then fill in with a couple of good backups. DL needs to utilize Favs' expiring contract. Needs to move JJ to a contender. Perhaps trade Hood. It's the only way to clear enough space to trade for or sign an impact forward.
 
Jack Strop said:
No, Utah doesn't have space for a bad contract. They're at the cap now and are in very bad shape for next year. Exum has cap hold of $15M. Hood has a cap hold of $7M.

There are only two players on the Jazz who are or may be worth building around: Gobert and Mitchell. Exum MIGHT be; we'll see. Those three have elite defensive skills. Hood is expendable and will be paid more than what he's worth. Rodney is much like Favors; talented, but has a very passive personality. Rubio is a very good PG, but you can't keep everyone. Probably comes down to him or Exum as Utah's PG. I know it was only SL, but we saw some potential in an Exum/Mitchell backcourt.

I agree with not taking on mediocre wings. Jazz need legit starters at PF and SF. Then fill in with a couple of good backups. DL needs to utilize Favs' expiring contract. Needs to move JJ to a contender. Perhaps trade Hood. It's the only way to clear enough space to trade for or sign an impact forward.
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Way too premature on Mitchell. Come on now.
 
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