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The consensus is clearly to build around him. I'm not completely sold it's the best approach, but I'm optimistic either way.

Assuming we move forward with Rubio &/or Exum, Mitchell, Hood, Gobert, & Bradley as our core (+ Burks/Bolomboy for now), where does that leave Ingles, JJ, Favors? Do you attempt to compete with them or do you cash them in for future assets?
 
Siro said:
Way too premature on Mitchell. Come on now.
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I said who are or MAY BE.
Yes, it is premature. But Mitchell has an alpha mentality. He has the drive and personality Gobert has. I have zero doubt he's going to be an elite defender. Will he have the offense? That's TBD.

But I stand by my statement. I don't see a franchise player in Hood or Favors. I don't see an all-star in Hood, even if he were in the EC. He'll likely get $20M/per if he averages 18 pts. That's just the way the league is. Jazz would be foolish to tie that much money up in him.
 
If you have bene following the Jazz for as long as I have you'll realize the Jazz management philosophy is not about swinging for the fences or breaking the bank for a championship. It's always been about keeping the team just about competitive enough for a playoff spot and then hoping for a lucky breakthrough here or there. I don't think they will even think about trading Gobert. However Gobert+internal improvement can only take you to the second round, with some generous luck. Jazz need ATLEAST another all-star caliber player to even think about cracking the top 4.
 
I just hope we elect to undergo some form of rebuild, regardless of whether or not it's centered around Gobert. If it is, I hope we opt to condense all assets outside of him + Mitchell & undergo a transition year in which we prioritize long-term asset accumulation over short-term success. Banking on a prospect who has yet to play a regular season game is a big risk but, of our current young talent, he is the most likely (& possibly only) player who has a good chance to develop into an impact player IMO. If he does, we may be able to piece together our remaining assets to acquire that potential 3rd piece necessary to contend. However, I don't think we have the luxury to tread water for a year or 2. We need to commit to a direction before the season begins IMO.
 
Probably not the most popular opinion around here, but I can't see Gobert as the central piece of a true contender in today's NBA, as it's so much more important to have guys who can be a big scoring threat on their own while also being able to generate for the rest of the team. That's usually been necessary in this league, and right now it's simply imperative in order to compete for something big.

That being said, I don't think trading Gobert right now gives you the best odds of building a contender over the next 4-5 seasons, unless you stumble upon the rare chance of getting an All-NBA type of wing in return.

The best course of action right now for a franchise that's not a marquee destination for players is to continue to use the draft (maybe try to move up if you're at the end of the lottery or lower) and FA to try to find young pieces that complement the team and have the potential to breakout one day and hopefully become that first option on a playoff team. And of course if you have the chance to move one or two role players, or you have some cap flexibility to take on a bad contract for a young prospect with real upside, you should do it (whether that means trading Favors, Burks, JJ or even Ingles once he's eligible to be traded again). But -at least for now- you do that while keeping Rudy, not trading away what could be one of the building blocks of an excellent team just for the chance at a potential star.
 
You don't trade a top ten player who is young and locked up on a good contact who likes playing for your team.

You don't get value for trading a star you always get the bad end of the deal. Besides who has assets to even make a for deal for Gobert? Maybe Boston I can't think of another team. Keeping in mind whoever he goes to won't be a bad team. Boston won't make a fair deal and there is a decent chance Haywood doesn't want to play with Gobert.

What's best case scenario? We trade Gobert and get really really lucky in the draft and land a top ten player to build around.

I can't think of a more dumb thing to do as a franchise than trade Gobert right now.
 
So people are convinced we are capable of surrounding him with the necessary talent (through acquisitions/development) to legitemetly contend over the duration of Gobert's contract? Personally I view that as far from a certainty, potentially even a long-shot. I'm not surprised by the general response, just the confidence in our ability to still eventually compete for a title.
 
I also think the competitive nature/gap in championship contending teams is being somewhat downplayed, while a single player's potential impact (regardless of talent) is being overestimated. I feel like small-market teams, now so more than ever, no longer have the luxury of completely structuring their roster around one player. Unfortunately, i believe this is just a reality of this new, "super team" NBA. A trend I fully expect to continue, & possibly even increase, long-term.
 
karl malone said:
So people are convinced we are capable of surrounding him with the necessary talent (through acquisitions/development) to legitemetly contend over the duration of Gobert's contract? Personally I view that as far from a certainty, potentially even a long-shot. I'm not surprised by the general response, just the confidence in our ability to still eventually compete for a title.
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It's not a certainty that we can get talent around him to win it all or be close. But if we can't get talent around him we can't get talent around another future star. All you can do is try and get a star and then build around him. We have the star now we should try and be as good as we can be while he is young, under contract and happy here.
 
Ron Mexico said:
It's not a certainty that we can get talent around him to win it all or be close. But if we can't get talent around him we can't get talent around another future star. All you can do is try and get a star and then build around him. We have the star now we should try and be as good as we can be while he is young, under contract and happy here.
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Gobert is a young, generational talent, who is locked up long-term, & enjoys being here (which can't be downplayed). I just think a team with limited assets/resources (especially in this current NBA) is likely setting themselves up for failure by hitching their wagon to a single horse...even if that horse happens to be a stallion. The idea between turning him into multiple high-end assets is that it gives us an opportunity to hit more than once, which is a necessity IMO if we are to ever contend.
 
karl malone said:
Gobert is a young, generational talent, who is locked up long-term, & enjoys being here (which can't be downplayed). I just think a team with limited assets/resources (especially in this current NBA) is likely setting themselves up for failure by hitching their wagon to a single horse...even if that horse happens to be a stallion. The idea between turning him into multiple high-end assets is that it gives us an opportunity to hit more than once, which is a necessity IMO if we are to ever contend.
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Who has multiple high end assets that would be willing to trade for him? What are those high end assets? What are the chances any of those draft picks turn into a player at Goberts level?

Gobert is the type of player your build around. If you can't build around him then you might just want to give up. Jazz might not be able to win a championship, most teams don't these days. We just need to aim for being the best team possible when we get extremely lucky to land a top ten player who is happy here. Build the best you can and hope you get really lucky to win it all.
 
How many top ten players come out each draft? One every 3 years? How lucky is you to land that 1 in a draft? You could tank for a decade and not land that a single top ten player. You definitely are unlikely to ever land more than 1.

Jazz have talent around Gobert already. They have a chance to have other players develop. Exum is the same age as when Gobert came into the NBA. Mitchell looks promising. We could trade for a guy who could break out. We could draft another Gobert late in the first. We need some luck but less luck than we would giving up Gobert and trying again.
 
I have been following this team since the beginning in Utah. Rudy is the most promising player we have had since Stockton and Malone. You don't trade that..
 
This thread stinks of desperation. The chances that any asset we trade Gobert for would later become an equal talent to him are so low it's ridiculous.

Gobert is 25. Is there some sort of rumor going around that he's actually 30?
 
BOS is likely the only realistic trading partner & I believe DA would be willing to give up a considerable haul as Gobert would make them a legitimate championship contender IMO.

I know financials would have to be worked out but something along the lines of Brown/Tatum, Zizic, Rozier, BKN 1st, LAL/SAC 1st in addition to Exum/Mitchell/Hood + acquired assets from Rubio/Ingles/JJ/Favors + our own likely high pick(s) is a great starting point for a rebuild.

I have no doubt that Gobert is a legitimate championship caliber superstar. Just that we can compete without at least one more impact player (probably really 2) & that Mitchell, Hood, Exum, future (likely) mid-1st rd picks, & future FA additions will be enough to get to that point.

I understand the likelihood/certainty that not every prospect will pan out & the almost certain fact that we will not acquire a player of Rudy's caliber in return, but I do think (with the right haul) that the sum of The acquired assets could potentially outweigh the impact of any single player (considering the state of the league).

As rare of a talent as Gobert is, even LBJ needs significant support. I see no potential Irving/Love level of combined talent currently on this roster (outside of Rudy & maybe Mitchell...way too early), which wasn't even enough for LBJ to challenge GSW this year. Obviously the landscape of the league will change over time, but I don't see the trend of elite talent teaming up going away anytime soon. If anything, I think it's more likely to increase.
 
Michaelr said:
I have been following this team since the beginning in Utah. Rudy is the most promising player we have had since Stockton and Malone. You don't trade that..
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I agree with the sentiment, I just think that the current state of the league at least calls for the consideration. If this were still the pre-"super team" era, I wouldn't even entertain the idea.
 
homeytennis said:
Ian Clark apparently won't resign with the Warriors. That would give us another shooter. And he and Rudy are buddies.
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He will seek more than the minimum and I don't think he feels a need. He is a 2 guard.
 
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