DL's Approach
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mellow
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Rudy has the personality to be a leader and to be marketable, something this market has lacked for 7-years.
Even when losing games Rudy provides entertainment because of what he does on the court, or what he might say off it.
In some regards this summer has made Lindsey's life easier. There is now one clear leader and centerpiece on this team. And Rudy doesn't need the hired talking heads to tell the fans he is great, nor does he need management to tell the other players he is a leader.
Now Lindsey can focus on building Rudy's team. Rubio was a good start.
Even when losing games Rudy provides entertainment because of what he does on the court, or what he might say off it.
In some regards this summer has made Lindsey's life easier. There is now one clear leader and centerpiece on this team. And Rudy doesn't need the hired talking heads to tell the fans he is great, nor does he need management to tell the other players he is a leader.
Now Lindsey can focus on building Rudy's team. Rubio was a good start.
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asking to trade Gobert away should honestly be a bannable offence for this forum. Cannot think of anything more disastrous for this franchise.
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Rudy is wired differently than Hayward. I think he stays as long as we try to be competitive. From the get go he has been much more social and I think he likes having his team.
We have some upside on the roster... keep Rudy and I think we can get close to 50 wins with good health. If it just ain't happening and he wants to go then trade him in two years. It is really premature to say that we can't compete now.
We have some upside on the roster... keep Rudy and I think we can get close to 50 wins with good health. If it just ain't happening and he wants to go then trade him in two years. It is really premature to say that we can't compete now.
karl malone
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I expected this type of response, but not quite to this extent. As of right now, I think it's fair to project that our current roster eventually plateaus before reaching true contender status (barring tremendous luck/everyone reaching their ceilings). To assume Gobert alone can compete with GSW, etc is misguided IMO & to bet on everything breaking our way is irresponsible. To act as if this doesn't at least warrant a logical, emotionless analysis of our current situation would be short-sighted IMO.
Your statement could be said of every team in the NBA except GS. Should everyone just quit and tank because they don't think they are as good as GS? Jazz can get into the same tier as any team below GS. If GS gets a major injury other teams can compete or maybe a team gets really hot. I want Jazz to try and not quit when you have a player as good as good as Gobert. There really isn't another option that is better. No amount of tanking is going to get you as good as Ws.
If Jazz can't build around Gobert, they can't build around anyone.
MDAV28
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I concur with trading Gobert as a ridiculous idea.
I think many people (who don't want the Jazz mostly) consider Gobert a defensive stopper and that's it. Gobert is also a real threat on offense. No he can't create his shot but with the improvement with his hands, he pulls so many defenders in on rolls and is already above an average passer as a big. Rubio will just capitalize Gobert's offense this year.
I think many people (who don't want the Jazz mostly) consider Gobert a defensive stopper and that's it. Gobert is also a real threat on offense. No he can't create his shot but with the improvement with his hands, he pulls so many defenders in on rolls and is already above an average passer as a big. Rubio will just capitalize Gobert's offense this year.
jjscap
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I don't understand why trading Gobert is even a discussion. He's good, he's young, he's under contract for 4 years.. If we're bad this season he'll understand and won't mind as long as our players compete. Besides this year he's #1 option finally. Remember last year he complained about his teammates's lack of effort following @LAC game? He had to apologize afterwards. Even George Hill told the media he found his comment "immature" (Gobert was right by the way) So now no one can shut him up and he'll enjoy being the commander. Look at his last tweet: "my soldiers". This new toy in the form of a key to the club will keep him busy for a while. In the meantime we may move other pieces around and get some value in return. Or use cap space to acquire assets, whatever. Though with at least four young and two talented injury-prone players to give PT and see how they play, I'm more inclined to stand pat and look for an opportunity to add a stretch four along the way.
MDAV28
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I think he sticks to his guns with an opportunistic, calculated approach.
The thing about DL is a lot of fans seem to think he ISN'T aggressive, but we really have no way of knowing. People may compare the moves and rumors about DL to somebody like Daryl Morey but we have no idea how many calls DL is making and what kind of deals that may or may not be on the table. I'm sure if the right trade presented itself he would take it, like many of the draft trades he has made. One thing that has been made very clear this offseason for a team in Utah, drafting players with 7-9 years of ownership is much more valuable which is probably why it seems like DL is focused more on drafting players than acquiring players via trade.
karl malone
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I'm not suggesting we give up, just adjust our approach. I also do believe that the majority of NBA franchises should be prioritizing their long-term futures rather than competing for a (highly likely) Conference Finals appearance at best...including us. If we had the option of luring high-end FA's, I would be much more optimistic about our ability to eventually provide Rudy with the necessary talent/support. But, as is, I think playing it safe ultimately caps our team's potential at that of a non-championship contending playoff regular. And, despite our disadvantages, I think Rudy gives us the rare opportunity at an accelerated rebuild with a potential championship caliber ceiling. But I understand everyone's point of view, there's no denying Gobert's talent/impact & the idea of starting over after everything the franchise has been through to get to this point is nauseating.
I don't think you can make decisions on the current super team idea. Really there is only one super team and they drafted well and then signed one guy when the cap ballooned which isn't happening again any time soon. Once everyone gets on new contracts you'll still have the player that discounts to help the team but I think the super team won't be what the Warriors are today.
I get what you're saying but how often would you say a potential guy actually pans out and becomes the player you're hoping?
karl malone
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The league just seems to be snowballing in that direction IMO. BOS's original big 3 to counteract LBJ caused LBJ to create his big 3 in MIA. He continued the trend by opting for a younger big 3 back in CLE which created the environment for Durant to join GSW. I would imagine other teams will attempt to follow suit as there have already been rumors involving PG13, CP, LBJ, etc teaming up.
If this continues, which I think is likely, small-market teams are going to be at even more of a disadvantage. Especially ones who begin the process of accumulating talent too late or lack the talent/assets to acquire that 2nd/3rd guy.
Prospects bust more often than not which is why, if we took this approach, it's imperative that we give ourselves as many opportunities to hit on as much high-end talent as possible.
I just think everything wants things to be catchy these days. The "big 3" they have in Cleveland really isn't anything that I would say most championship teams haven't had before. You have two all stars and a borderline all star. The only thing that makes it better is Lebron is historically great. Golden State as currently constructed is a different story but they are a once in a lifetime type of team and I don't think that will stick around.
That's the problem with prospects, if you trade Rudy for five of them realistically maybe two hit and that still isn't good enough to win you a championship. I know the big center isn't the current state of the game but if I've got one guy I'm glad it's him because he intimidates all of the driving to the basket players do opposed to having a great defensive wing that shuts down one guy.
That's the problem with prospects, if you trade Rudy for five of them realistically maybe two hit and that still isn't good enough to win you a championship. I know the big center isn't the current state of the game but if I've got one guy I'm glad it's him because he intimidates all of the driving to the basket players do opposed to having a great defensive wing that shuts down one guy.
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karl malone
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Fair enough
Nobody is like Gobert.
You don't trade him. This actually goes completely against your superteam argument. You don't compete with a superteam by trading a top 10 to get 2 top 50's. You just got farther away.
You don't trade him. This actually goes completely against your superteam argument. You don't compete with a superteam by trading a top 10 to get 2 top 50's. You just got farther away.
karl malone
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You don't have/compete with a "super team" with just a top 10 player
So you think we should go on a perpetual rebuild until we land multiple superstars, who decide to resign with Utah as FAs, hopefully before the sun expands and swallows the Earth?
The correct way of doing things for a market like Utah is to follow SAS lead (as we have been). Build patiently around the good players you have, and field a competitive team year after year, and you'll get lucky every now and then.