Do the Jazz abandon "the process" this summer?

[Handlogten's Heros]

The key question on Barnes is is he they beneficiary of playing with greatness or is he suppressed by it. I believe it is a lot of the former and a little of the latter. Role players on great teams have made a lot of money going to other teams and ended up not doing so well.

 

[colton]

I don't think you understand the implications of maxing a player that's nowhere near worth it. It can lead to a very painful treadmill. There is no "out" by trading them away short of adding 1st round picks. And a small market without picks is what in the NBA? Nothing.

In fact, a case could probably be made that that's the single most damaging thing to small market teams.

 

[karl malone]

Barnes would be a good addition due to his age, ability to shoot, & the fact that he can play the 3 or 4. He's clearly not deserving of a max contract at this point but does have the upside to potentially justify it & still be a tradable asset if he doesn't. I don't like the idea of maxing a non-star player until the rest of our core is locked up but Utah has money to spend & not many options to spend it on (without having to significantly overpay). Personally, I'd lean towards no as I don't see him propelling us to contention. However if we do decide to sign someone to a max contract over the off-season, Barnes might be the best option (of the realistic possibilities).

 

[fishonjazz]

Yeah but there's also stories like James Harden to Houston.

Barnes is a starter on a championship, possible repeat championship level team and about to get PAID, he's not a roleplayer, he;s a good starter..

dont compare barnes to harden. Harden was averaging 17 points per game at 22 years of age in his third year on much better percentages and got to the line way more. Simply put, harden was much better than barnes and it was obvious. Everyone was quite certain that he was going to be a star. If you made a thread back then about the jazz getting harden then pretty much 100% of the posters on this site would think its a great idea. There is a reason that most of us dont like the idea of maxing barnes. Its because he doesn't play like a player deserving of a max. We would be maxing him 100% due to potential and the hope that someday he might deserve it.

Dont use hardens situation as the time that maxing a player like barnes worked out good. Find a player who produced similar to what barnes is doing and then received the max and it ended up being a good idea.

 

[fishonjazz]

Barnes(who's 23) stats are going up every year though..

They are not though. At least not by much at all.

Per 36 rookie year is 13.1 points per game, 5.8 rebounds and 1.7 assists per game.
This year is 13.6 points, 5.7 rebounds and 2.1 assists per game.

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[fishonjazz]

They reduced his minutes this season,

Except they didn't. This season he averaged 30.9 minutes per game. The most of his career. His previous three years he averaged 25.4, 28.3 and 28.3. This season was 30.9. His minutes went up.

 

[fishonjazz]

His total minutes went down thats what I meant. He played 500 less minutes than Hood this year because he missed 16 games..

He was shooting at a higher rate though, and was on pace to hit about 100 3's in 250 attempts in a full 82, which wouldv'e both been career-highs, and in line with an upward career trajectory...

He's played in 307 of a possible 328 NBA regular season tho so he can be counted on..


Ya know who the Warriors replacement is for HArrison Barnes??? It's Brandon Rush a player the Jazz let go of years ago..

So what you are saying is that barnes missed the most games of his career this year and was replaced by a scrub the jazz let go and played the least minutes in his career and that all led to the warriors having the best record in the history of the nba. Interesting.

 

[akirac73]

I'm telling you Barnes would be mean on the Jazz... He'd just make big 3 after big 3, he'd be the beneficiary of Hayward, Hood and Burks getting to the rack..

So you want to max a player that will be a spot up 3 point shooter? Barnes isn't even an elite 3-point shooter.
Fun Fact:
Barnes shot 38.3% on 214 3-point attempts.
Joe Ingles shot 38.6% on 210 3-point attempts.
Basically identical 3 point shooting stats.

If someone suggested Ingles should get paid the max to play the role you're proposing, would that be considered reasonable?

 

[Crawlnstall]

My biggest question is who do we spend the money on? We gotta spend money right?
And are we sure the Warriors are gonna let him walk?

 

[Miggs]

I was slightly tempted with the idea for Barnes...simply due to his size, age and potential...but I watched last nights game and man, what a rough game for him. He ain't worth max money...I dont know if he is worth 12

But, but, but the game before he was like, 1 of 10 from the field. Sooooo worth max money.

 

[Miggs]

Harrison Barnes at 23 years old has more playoff games under his belt than the entire 2015-2016 Jazz roster combined..

and of course he's still just in the 1st round..

Rockets and then Spurs should've maxed Horry since he won so many rings.

Oh wait, he actually performed great in the playoffs unlike Barnes.

 

[prodigy]

And are we sure the Warriors are gonna let him walk?

and does he want to leave the Warriors? seems like a pretty good team to be apart of

 

[Miggs]

By that logic Hayward isn't worth the max though.. He gets a pass from these absurd standards because he's white I suppose?

You're dense. Hayward produces. Barnes does **** because he has no noticeable discernible skills other than perhaps being a good rebounder.

 

[MT Steve]

The key question on Barnes is is he they beneficiary of playing with greatness or is he suppressed by it. I believe it is a lot of the former and a little of the latter. Role players on great teams have made a lot of money going to other teams and ended up not doing so well.

Just look at how he performs when a key player is injured to answer that.

The answer thus far has been consistently awful.

 

[Miggs]

Spoken like a bitter, delusional fan of team with 0 championships.. Hayward produces what exactly? We're talkng about the playoffs right? 18% FG's in the playoffs.

He produces just enough moral victories for you to go on the internet and talk **** about..

Bitter fan? Hardly. If there's one thing I'm not, it's that. I get over losses very quickly.

 

[akirac73]

He reportedly turned down a 64 million dollar /4 year deal, then hired a new agent and still couldn't get a deal done, so they've tabled the discussions til the offseason..

Are you his new agent?

 

[akirac73]

Spoken like a bitter, delusional fan of team with 0 championships.. Hayward produces what exactly? We're talkng about the playoffs right? 18% FG's in the playoffs.

He produces just enough moral victories for you to go on the internet and talk **** about..

Most sane posters here realize Hayward is not the answer or savior for the franchise. That is why I don't want to pay a poor man's Hayward (Harrison Barnes) the max. Make sense?

Bring up the championships all you want, but if Curry, Thompson, and Green aren't on that team, Harrison Barnes doesn't win **** in this league.

 

[♪alt13]

Barnes(who's 23) stats are going up every year though.. Like Hayward and Favors at that point..

I'll say it again because it's a common refrain here..

It isn't

Barnes vs Hood
Barnes vs Hayward
Barnes vs Burks

They'll play together!!

Barnes lurks on the weakside when those players faceup to provide spacing, I've already illustrated how the minutes of the core players would be unaffected and where his 3pt attempts would come from..

I'm convinced some fighting me on this just want to justify the Jazz being cheap somehow in their minds.

another angle would be they're getting hayward as much help as they can find going into his big 'decision'

If we don't get him some help it won't be a big decision it will be an easy decision.

Sorry doods, extra money won't be enough. GTime likes being in GQ magazine. He has come out of his shell. He is dreaming. He wants more. He wants to be a winner. He wants a legacy.

 

[♪alt13]

Most sane posters here realize Hayward is not the answer or savior for the franchise. That is why I don't want to pay a poor man's Hayward (Harrison Barnes) the max. Make sense?

Bring up the championships all you want, but if Curry, Thompson, and Green aren't on that team, Harrison Barnes doesn't win **** in this league.

So we should just roll with it? Srsly wtf are we waiting for? Either try and build a team around him or trade him and make a move. Let's not sit on the sidelines for no ****in reason.

 

[akirac73]

Unlike many here when I voice displeasure I point out what I would've done, or what I think should be done. It's much easier to be critical than to actually brain storm realistic ideas..

people for the most part here don't like me, so they don't like my ideas// the issue is my ideas are damn good, so y'all choose to act like children about it, play dumb, ****** schoolboy **** really. whatever I guess thats how dudes are in Utah..

I don't dislike you. But I do dislike your overly obsessive desire to throw money down the toilet on a role player like Harrison Barnes. What makes you think your ideas are so damn good? Who told you that?