Do the Jazz abandon "the process" this summer?

[Miggs]

Unlike many here when I voice displeasure I point out alternatives, what I would've done, or what I think should be done. It's much easier to be critical than to actually brain storm realistic ideas..

people for the most part here don't like me, so they don't like my ideas// the issue is my ideas are usually ahead of time, and damn good, so y'all choose to act like children about it... play dumb, ****** schoolboy **** really. whatever, I guess thats how dudes are in Utah.. seems queer to me but i guess thats how it is. I'm not judging, just my observations.

People have posted alternatives over the last few weeks. You're choosing to pretend like that hasn't happened. Bazemore. Tucker. Lee. A bunch have been thrown out there. So relax dude. You're quickly escalating into pgab bitch mode.

 

[♪alt13]

Unlike many here when I voice displeasure I point out alternatives, what I would've done, or what I think should be done. It's much easier to be critical than to actually brain storm realistic ideas..

people for the most part here don't like me, so they don't like my ideas// the issue is my ideas are usually ahead of time, and damn good, so y'all choose to act like children about it... play dumb, ****** schoolboy **** really. whatever, I guess thats how dudes are in Utah.. seems queer to me but i guess thats how it is. I'm not judging, just my observations.

I'm not offended to be called queer, but don't call me a ****** schoolboy **** bro.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

BArnes is 23 years old though if you think they'd get stuck with the bill for 3 or 4 years if things went sour (which is highly unlikely) in today's NBA, with bottom feeders like the Nets around, I'd say you're crazy. Those teams would pony up expiring's quickly..

My stance is it's riskier for them to stand pat than do a move like this, which is an obvious match and upgrade of quality/depth.

Barnes is capable of taking and making big shots which the Jazz could use.

I'm under the impression the JAzz will go over the tax when the time is right, the fact that they have so much young talent on restricted deals helps plenty.. means they can sign them/match regardless of the cap situation..

I've already detailed how they can resign Hayward next offseason with this move, so that means they can sign Rudy afterwards and go over..

This then turns the priority to fitting Favors in the next summer, before resigning Exum and Hood..

Lyles is insurance for Favors though and they can double down on that if they take a PF/C with the 12th pick..

His total minutes went down thats what I meant. He played 500 less minutes than Hood this year because he missed 16 games..

He was shooting at a higher rate though, and was on pace to hit about 100 3's in 250 attempts in a full 82, which wouldv'e both been career-highs, and in line with an upward career trajectory...

He's played in 307 of a possible 328 NBA regular season tho so he can be counted on..


Ya know who the Warriors replacement is for HArrison Barnes??? It's Brandon Rush a player the Jazz let go of years ago..

You sound several steps behind. Let me catch you up;

-Joe Ingles is a fringe NBA player, end of the rotation guy, and hasn't proven to be anything more than that...

-Harrison Barnes is a starter on the best team in basketball, with a championship ring on his finger..

There's no comparison, if your under the impression Ingles is better than Barnes you're gravely mistaken..

Are you seriously trying to argue the Jazz should stick with Joe Ingles over Harrison Barnes? That's precisely the status quo BS that caused them to miss the playoffs this year..

Bwahahahahahahahaha. Best thread ever. I especially like the bit where PGAB justifying Barnes stats by saying he played less mins due to injury after Fish points out he averaged more mins per game after showing stats per 36 mins. That's some kind of stupid great show PGAB PGAB is talking gibberish and acting like he's been in the business for years. Again, your some kind of stupid with no Conscience. I've always said the most entertainment comes from those that don't know how dumb they are and keep digging bigger holes. This describes this thread in a nutshell. Keep trucking PGAB, and keep me laughing.

 

[MT Steve]

*sigh*

Sometimes, one person reaches a level of irrationality so high when arguing their case that discussing the matter with them becomes pointless.

This thread is well beyond that point.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Barnes played less minutes this year than he did each of the previous 2 seasons MPG averages don't change that fact...whats so funny about that?? I've been in these threads crunching minute/rotation totals and shot totals.

How many outstanding calls have I made in the few years I've been here? I don't remember you making one. How many times have jerk offs from this forum lined up to battle me in these discussions for pages, and been totally wrong?? A lot.. here's some examples;

What'd you have to say about Rudy befor ehe was drafted? I showed up to Jazzfanz talking about him being an interesting fit and that I wouldnt complain if they took him with their 1st 1st round pick

Idiots lined up en masse to fight me over 'overpaying' jeff teague summers ago too, I said 4 yers 40-44mil would get it done and he ended up signing for 8 per.. I was right on the $$.. They hated the idea of trading for Derozan and extending him for 40 million /4 years too.. LOL

people fought me pages and several years over if Al Farouq Aminu was an actual NBA player.. summers in a row..

****in miserable people y'all are.. I came to this board and took a giant **** on most of the logic you present here, you can try to ridicule me but you can;t duel me on my level, laugh it up.

People didn;t like the idea of signing Tobias harris last offseason but LOVED the signings of Neto, Pleiss and Ingles, I was ridiculed for pages over it too, and I said "this team isn't being built to withstand injuries" which proved precisely true. Also correctly called the under in the win total thread.

I was the original person on Jazzfanz to call Trey Burke overrated, no one detailed it more than me in the draftee's thread not even close.. I called out most of his weaknesses several months before was threads on here comparing him to Chris Paul. I also correctly located Dennis Schroder as a definite greater PG target, which rang true.

I detailed how Trey Lyles could shoot posters almost unanimously thought he couldn't..

I suggested drafting Norman Powell in the 2nd round several times last season..

I correctly predicted Zach LaVine would be a lottery pick way in advance, when DX had him in the 2nd round and posters, for pages thought he was too skinny to play in the NBAm and that his fat teammate, Jordan Adams was better.

I said that Rodney hood was going to be one of the best lefty shooters in the league..

I was in the 2014 draftees thread saying the Jazz should try and trade up high enough to promise Porzingis to stay in the draft..

I was posting about Hassan Whiteside when he was in the Lebanese leagues..

I'll keep going..You tell me first, why the hell would I take your word over mine? what do you know about these matters other than basic **** I've already accounted for???

Keep it coming my friend. You're funny as hell Do u ever stop and listen to yourself?? Seriously. One minute you're quitting jazzfanz, then u come back. Lol. Then I champion the idea of drafting Lyles he was the only player I wanted. You're welcome. In the Burke draft I stated several times I didn't want Burke. Hell I even remember shouting no no no no no when they announced the trade. I also remember a bunch of people liking Gobert in that draft me included.

So whoopty-do-da-day. Stop acting like you're perfect. Good god have some self respect and actually follow through on your promises and stop posting in jazzfanz. There's one prediction u made that didn't come true.

People don't not like u because u can magically predict the future. They hate u because u carry on like a twit and then act all self righteous and continually put yourself on a pedestal like a douchebag. In my fam u get punched for that crap.

Hate to break it to u but you've been very wrong in this thread. Barnes would be far less productive away from Curry and the Warriors, just like guys like Esley and Anderson did, who both enjoyed success playing with Stockton and Malone, both left and they were never heard from again. You're entitled to your opinion, but don't get all douchey and butt hurt because no one agrees with u.

But please carry on. My amusement is on the line here, so as u were.

 

[Miggs]

There ya go, thats how the next 2 seasons works with Barnes..

It gets a little bit more tricky triyng to retain Favors in the summer of 2018 but thats after 2 years of 'going for it' so some sort of change will probably need to be madeif things aren't working out..

Going for what? Great, we get a little better but we're not winning it all the next two years so that does jack **** for us other then **** ourselves long-term because we'll be unable to re-sign Favors, and possibly Exum, Hood, Lyles, and others. What an ingenious plan. I'm sure we'll be able to wriggle out from those shackles quite easily though. Teams will just be lining up in two years to get Barnes at about 22M in a trade when the cap is going to stay the same and maybe even go down. Brilliant, my man. Brilliant.

Get Bazemore, who'll be cheaper, fits a role, and imo may be the better overall player.

 

[fishonjazz]

Barnes played less minutes this year than he did each of the previous 2 seasons MPG averages don't change that fact..

You did originally say that they (the warriors) reduced his minutes though. As if the warriors were intentionally playing him less. Like benching him and whatnot. Then when i pointed out you were wrong you changed your tune and started talking about his total minutes being less due to injury rather than minutes per game.

They reduced his minutes this season, I think they're preparing for him to go elsewhere..

Its ok to sometimes simply say "you got me on that one, i was wrong."

 

[fishonjazz]

Get Bazemore, who'll be cheaper, fits a role, and imo may be the better overall player.

statistically bazemore averages more points, rebounds, and assists than barnes. And bazemore is probably the better defender. Of course barnes has a ring so nothing else matters. We should max joel anthony too since he was a starter on a championship team.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

You did originally say that they (the warriors) reduced his minutes though. As if the warriors were intentionally playing him less. Like benching him and whatnot. Then when i pointed out you were wrong you changed your tune and started talking about his total minutes being less due to injury rather than minutes per game.




Its ok to sometimes simply say "you got me on that one, i was wrong."

Ha. I remember reading that sequence and thinking wtf!? PGAB admitting admitting he was wrong would cause his head to explode. We can't have that. He's got to reserve his perfect score

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Going for what? Great, we get a little better but we're not winning it all the next two years so that does jack **** for us other then **** ourselves long-term because we'll be unable to re-sign Favors, and possibly Exum, Hood, Lyles, and others. What an ingenious plan. I'm sure we'll be able to wriggle out from those shackles quite easily though. Teams will just be lining up in two years to get Barnes at about 22M in a trade when the cap is going to stay the same and maybe even go down. Brilliant, my man. Brilliant.

Get Bazemore, who'll be cheaper, fits a role, and imo may be the better overall player.

Will he be cheaper? The fact that there are talks about Barnes getting maxed out means Bazemore (I doubt it though, but it's not like Bazemore will be cheap at all) could very well be maxed out too.

There is no telling what people will pay this year. There are only a few top tier free agents and nearly every team in the NBA will have an insane amount of cap-space.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Ha. I remember reading that sequence and thinking wtf!? PGAB admitting admitting he was wrong would cause his head to explode. We can't have that. He's got to reserve his perfect score

https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?29086-With-the-5th-pick-the-Utah-Jazz-select-Noah-Vonleh/page2

If you want an example of PGAB being wrong.

*Yes he is still young and could turn it around next year. PGAB could still turn out looking like a genius on this one*

 

[Miggs]

spoken like a true defender of the status quo in Jazzland, there's lots of you toy soldier types on this site.. which is basically that of a (40 year old) expansion team, still trying to get rid of the training wheels..

As a Jazz fan I can see how you were bludgeoned and battered into that type of thinking..

If you're not bitter about the state of the franchise, then you can't possibly be a true fan.. No ****ing way.. You don't care as much as me then , and I've only been a fan for a few years.. They've finally got what looks to be a window, they need to strike while the irons hot or else this team is going to be 50 years old and still without a championship..

You off your meds?

 

[Game6Conley]

If Harrison Barnes was white this thread would look totally different too.. Wanna call bs on that? you're lying.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Sore losers in this thread mad that Harrison Barnes has more championship rings than Malone and Stockton combined.. Nothing else to see here.. Other than people defending a pathetic 40 year old expansion franchise with substanceless, semantics based arguments ..

When y'all go back and refute ha;f of the great points i've made in this thread instead of cherry picking semantics garbage I'll respond accordingly


Y'aall will always be some lames from Utah to me, laugh it up ll you want. I see the crowds in utah, yall are just mad because your women are ugly.. **** i'd be too

I'd make you courtsey like the bitch you are if you spoke like that to my face. so don't think you bother me whatsoever, sound like an inmate to an officer.

Plus y'all arent even considering half of the **** i've accounted for. Want me to catch you up on the argument, so you can disagree, spoiled bitch types.

Never seen a person from NY say "yall".

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

If Harrison Barnes was white this thread would look totally different too.. Wanna call bs on that? you're lying.

What if they hear Barnes talk? He sounds like Dave Chappelle's white guy impersonation.

And yes, I call BS. By your theory, Jazzfanz would be talking about maxing out Chandler Parsons, who will probably be a free agent this year. He is a white guy who will most likely get maxed by someone. So all us Jazzfanz who love the whites should be screaming for him, right?

 

[Miggs]

What if they hear Barnes talk? He sounds like Dave Chappelle's white guy impersonation.

And yes, I call BS. By your theory, Jazzfanz would be talking about maxing out Chandler Parsons, who will probably be a free agent this year. He is a white guy who will most likely get maxed by someone. So all us Jazzfanz who love the whites should be screaming for him, right?

Burn.

Suck it pgab.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

Sore losers in this thread mad that Harrison Barnes has more championship rings than Malone and Stockton combined.. Nothing else to see here.. Other than people defending a pathetic 40 year old expansion franchise with substanceless, semantics based arguments ..

When y'all go back and refute ha;f of the great points i've made in this thread instead of cherry picking semantics garbage I'll respond accordingly


Y'aall will always be some lames from Utah to me, laugh it up ll you want. I see the crowds in utah, yall are just mad because your women are ugly.. **** i'd be too

I'd make you courtsey like the bitch you are if you spoke like that to my face. so don't think you bother me whatsoever, sound like an inmate to an officer.

Plus y'all arent even considering half of the **** i've accounted for. Want me to catch you up on the argument, so you can disagree, spoiled bitch types.

Negged for being a doosh...

Unfortunately, I came here to admit that there is some legitimacy to maxing Barnes, the main reason being that the cap is expected to rise even higher over the next two years, and PGABDOOSH is probably right that Barnes will likely be very tradable in the near future for that reason, even at that amount. Secondly, since everybody will have spending money, Utah definitely needs to look high and low for ways to improve. It won't be easy.

Just the same, the reason I'm against it remains the same, which is I can't support a move that sends Hood to the bench for a player I believe he could be better than as early as next year, if we keep developing him.

P.S. I credit Spycam for making me take a better look at this, as I greatly respect his opinions.

 

[Miggs]

Will he be cheaper? The fact that there are talks about Barnes getting maxed out means Bazemore (I doubt it though, but it's not like Bazemore will be cheap at all) could very well be maxed out too.

There is no telling what people will pay this year. There are only a few top tier free agents and nearly every team in the NBA will have an insane amount of cap-space.

I guess I was basing it off the notion that Barnes is a max guy and I just don't see Bazemore getting the max. But if Tristan Thompson can get the deal he got, anything is possible.

 

[akirac73]

Y'aall will always be some lames from Utah to me, laugh it up ll you want. I see the crowds in utah, yall are just mad because your women are ugly.. **** i'd be too

I'd make you courtsey like the bitch you are if you spoke like that to my face. so don't think you bother me whatsoever, sound like an inmate to an officer.

Plus y'all arent even considering half of the **** i've accounted for. Want me to catch you up on the argument, so you can disagree, spoiled bitch types.

I think we've just discovered ncoloradojazz's alt. EXPOSED!

 

[idiot]

I won't defend PG AB's argument style, but I think overall that considering trying to get Barnes is worthwhile. He's less than 6 months older than Hood. Those who think Hood will continue to develop should think the same about Barnes. He's not a perfect player, but would fill a very useful role on the team. And if you're going to get a free agent this year (outside of the top 3 or 4), you're going to be overpaying.