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Enes Kanter still unsigned

Above all, if KD is healed, which we still do not know for sure whether if he is going to become the next Derrick Rose of injuries or not (I sure hope not), then the opposition to the Thunder better score a lot of points because they sure will not have much problem dropping more than the league average every game if the opposition are not exhausting defenders. If they can hide or fix the Kanter's pick and roll problems on D, then fear them even more.

It's somewhat a trick fate plays on people how Kanter landed up on his 4 feet like a cat. He was not a good fit in Utah because the basketball played in Utah is not the same in OKC. The approach is much more academic. OKC with the former coach was a team of a bunch of players who hustle like crazy to crush the other team on O and just wait for the position on D to finish so that they can run back on O. And it was rather untidy. Too freely. No certain system or set piece which allowed Russ to shoot 50 shot a game if he wants. Perfect situtation for Enes Kanter. Because he is not used to the academic (by academic, I mean more strategical, requiring more wits and courtvision to play and consider the game as a team sports) style of basketball Utah plays, With Bill Donovan taking charge, I think OKC will become a more systematical team compared to the previous seasons. I think this will force Kanter to learn D better. Since he has his deal in his hands right now, he kinda will have to learn to play D or he is benched like getting insulted at the end of the games on defensive positions.

Kanter is a really really good offensive big. If he can somewhat learn to get better at his blackholes, he will be a multiple times allstar. He was not a bad pick. He was not held too badly after the 1st two years. He was just not the right guy for the job in Utah's spot. He needs the ball in his hands to make plays. The other significant thing he does is he clears boards, makes putbacks. Big difference maker in those things. Also he has a really soft wrist for his position and size to score from outside. Saying that he was worthless and getting anything for him was enough is being homer. He was worth more, but it was not Utah's fault that they did not get more for him. Enes is an uneducated spoiled character with just too much self confidence to fight everyone to feed his ego. Not the team player you want in Utah. He does not know what to talk and what not to while speaking to the media. He has a narrow circle of mentors around him and this makes him manipulatable. So he talked about his desire for trade. If your asset wants out you cannot shop him for higher prices like he was like the centerpiece of your franchise. Even though Snyder and Lindsey tried to bargain like that to clear the **** Kanter stirred up after the trade call, said he was their valuable player bla bla, it was not enough.

The part that got worst was his speech before his 1st game in ESA as the visitor. That was pure ****ed up. But he landed on his 4 feet in OKC both monetarily and as a player. He will be very efficient whether if he can learn to defend P&R's or not because the pace of the team offers more coverage for his lame D performances. I'm happy that a Turkish player got the max offer, it's a good thing for Turkish basketball which is still producing a lot of great young talents, most a lot better than Kanter, it says good things about the future. I just wish it would be a deal that layed no more questions on the table that if he was worth the max or not. I think 75% of the league thinks it's overpaying. I hope he can play up to it in his 3+1 years. I also am looking forward to the ESA visits of him. No way the booing is silencing down for this young fella. I lastly hope, he can keep growing up mentally. He has shown the signs of growing up after the trade.
 
He was undeservedly benched in his third year as well. Almost two full years of Corbin crap is sufficient to alienate a player. Don't forget that Hayward was happy to jump the ship as well. Those all are mistakes which led to eventually getting 20 cents on the dollar which was my initial point. Emergence of Gobert does not excuse management for the way they handled Kanter situation. If not for Gobert they would match max offer sheet and we likely ended up with a disgruntled maxed player who plays poor defense.

It's Jazz management fault that after 3 years of Kanter we were not sure if he is worth keeping or not and it took Snyder hiring to understand that Kanter doesn't fit the plan when it was too late to move him for what he is worth.


Kinda funny to look at Gobert versus Kanter. One was a backup who felt he deserved to be the starter... was given started opportunities and did not produce for the team. The other was a backup who felt he was good enough to be the starter, and worked so hard that it was impossible for him to not become the starter... and now is one of the fastest rising stars in the league.
 
Kinda funny to look at Gobert versus Kanter. One was a backup who felt he deserved to be the starter... was given started opportunities and did not produce for the team. The other was a backup who felt he was good enough to be the starter, and worked so hard that it was impossible for him to not become the starter... and now is one of the fastest rising stars in the league.


I hated Corbin and Jazz so much for sending Rudy and Ian to the D-League.
 
Kinda funny to look at Gobert versus Kanter. One was a backup who felt he deserved to be the starter... was given started opportunities and did not produce for the team. The other was a backup who felt he was good enough to be the starter, and worked so hard that it was impossible for him to not become the starter... and now is one of the fastest rising stars in the league.
This may be true but corbin did send Rudy to the d-league and if corbin was the coach last year maybe Rudy never becomes a starter.
 
DL has to be worst GM in league. Who trades a max player for second round pick?

Have Jazz become training facility for rest of league? Paul Millsap, Wes Matthews, Demare Carrol, Raja Bell back in the day, Kyle Korver, Donyell Marshall, and now Enes.
 
[size/HUGE] boobs [/size];1088688 said:
DL has to be worst GM in league. Who trades a max player for second round pick?

Have Jazz become training facility for rest of league? Paul Millsap, Wes Matthews, Demare Carrol, Raja Bell back in the day, Kyle Korver, Donyell Marshall, and now Enes.


One of those max offers was a knife shoved up OKC's stomach. The other was the desperate move to make KD happy by saying " We are contending right now KD. Stay with us".
 
[size/HUGE] boobs [/size];1088688 said:
DL has to be worst GM in league. Who trades a max player for second round pick?

Have Jazz become training facility for rest of league? Paul Millsap, Wes Matthews, Demare Carrol, Raja Bell back in the day, Kyle Korver, Donyell Marshall, and now Enes.
You do realize that none of those moves except Enes was DL maybe Millsap depends on which incident you are referring to?
 
[size/HUGE] boobs [/size];1088688 said:
DL has to be worst GM in league. Who trades a max player for second round pick?

Have Jazz become training facility for rest of league? Paul Millsap, Wes Matthews, Demare Carrol, Raja Bell back in the day, Kyle Korver, Donyell Marshall, and now Enes.
DL wasn't even around when Marshall was here. Nor was he the GM when Bell signed with Phoenix as an UFA at the stroke of midnight. Matthews left under the watch of KOC. And it wasn't KOC's fault; ownership decided not to match to avoid paying $9M in year #1 (salary and tax combined).

Korver? He's an *******. He ADMITTED passing up shots to protect his record instead of giving Utah offense when they were FIGHTING for a playoff spot. Good riddance to him!

"Blame" DL for Millsap, DMC and Enes. That's it. But you have to consider the following:
1. It was either Millsap or Favors. Neither wanted to come off the bench. And Utah couldn't have afforded Millsap at $15M (or whatever he wanted), Favors (who wouldn't have wanted to re-sign, anyway) and Kanter (at that time Kanter was still viewed as the starting center.

2. Enes. Jazz make him the starting center in 2013 (gets benched for terrible defense, but then re-instated as the starter late in the season). He's the starting center in 2014. He won't accept a low $8M/per offer prior to the season (just like Hayward and I don't blame him). But he was the starter. And then Gobert "exploded." Yes, there were signs at the World Cup, but that can't be the only measuring stick. Other players have had great WC's or Olympics and not been nearly as effective over the course of an NBA season. So at that point you have three starters, one of which you know is going to demand a max contract. Should Dennis have kept Kanter and traded Gobert. Tell you what, 29 other teams would have given up two first round picks for Rudy. Yes, DL really screwed up by no trading a player he thought was going to be the starting center for Utah right up until a few months into last season.

3. DMC. In hindsight a mistake. But DMC was just a little better than a role player with Utah. It wasn't until he started working with Quin in Atlanta that he developed a 3 and upped his overall shooting. I DOUBT he becomes the player he is now had he stayed in Utah. Also, in pursuing a rebuild strategy, the idea is to make the team as bad as you can, primarily by weakening the bench (since Utah had pretty decent starters - well, until Ty made a couple of them subs). Instead of getting Exum, maybe the Jazz are picking 8th/9th and go with Elfrid Payton.
 
Also I don't get the boobing. Kanter demanded the trade. He wasn't going to resign here. So we either let him walk for nothing like Millsap and Jefferson. And complain about that. Or we get what we can, market wise. And we complain about that. Haha

And I'm sorry, Kanter is not a max player. But OKC needed to pay him that to get KD to stay with the franchise. But it won't help. He's gone. Maybe that will be what Kanter hopes for so he can be the man like he always wanted here.
 
you guys trip me out. Most of you said we'd stop talking about Kanter if I stopped talking about him. I haven't talked about him in months, yet this thread is 17 pages long. Crybabies.
News flash: If you ever thought people were talking about Kanter because of you you're crazy. Kanter, as a result of his actions and words, is one of the most hated rivals in Jazz history. People are going to talk about him whether you do or not. If you or anyone else defends him on a Jazz message board it is going to produce predictable results.
 
[size/HUGE] boobs [/size];1088688 said:
DL has to be worst GM in league. Who trades a max player for second round pick?

Have Jazz become training facility for rest of league? Paul Millsap, Wes Matthews, Demare Carrol, Raja Bell back in the day, Kyle Korver, Donyell Marshall, and now Enes.
And in the process he somehow built a team that virtually every analyst predicts to be on the verge of a big run. Your first sentence may need some revision if the experts are right.
 
[size/HUGE] boobs [/size];1088688 said:
DL has to be worst GM in league. Who trades a max player for second round pick?

Have Jazz become training facility for rest of league? Paul Millsap, Wes Matthews, Demare Carrol, Raja Bell back in the day, Kyle Korver, Donyell Marshall, and now Enes.

And they can even trade wilkins and MAGIC! They trade away our best players and even our 3rd pick for nothing. Kanter could be top PF in the world but we don't do anything? What is this with Jazz!!??
 
^This post must be genius because I can't figure out what it says. It's like reading one of Phunk's posts before I put him on ignore.
 
^This post must be genius because I can't figure out what it says. It's like reading one of Phunk's posts before I put him on ignore.
Well, I see what he did with Big and Run. Sort of like Big Al and Bi gal. Except that one was kind of clever because it actually made sense. I have no idea what a "grun" is.

Let me give it a try with his user name, BOO BS. That's kind of appropriate. Boo because he deserves it and BS because that's what he posts.
 
Well, I see what he did with Big and Run. Sort of like Big Al and Bi gal. Except that one was kind of clever because it actually made sense. I have no idea what a "grun" is.

Let me give it a try with his user name, BOO BS. That's kind of appropriate. Boo because he deserves it and BS because that's what he posts.
^This post can't possibly be genius because I understood every word and loved it. What say you BOO BS?

And btw, what the hell is a grun?
 
Well, I see what he did with Big and Run. Sort of like Big Al and Bi gal. Except that one was kind of clever because it actually made sense. I have no idea what a "grun" is.

Let me give it a try with his user name, BOO BS. That's kind of priate. Boo because he deserves it and BS because that's what he posts.

Should I pick clever name change like stifle towers? So original.
 
[size/HUGE] boobs [/size];1089003 said:
Should I pick clever name change like stifle towers? So original.
I didn't pick stifle towers...at least get the name right. I bow to your brilliance of selecting a body part, though. I agree, I'm not very original in picking names. I've had a few clunkers over the past 10 years.

Please send me your list of approved names and I'll consider a change.
 
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