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George Hill coming to Utah

LogGrad98 said:
Welp, now I hate him. Thanks Oba...uh I mean Viny!
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ncoloradojazz said:
Well coaches and media who watch the game must not be as smart as you since they all have Teague over Hill.
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The notion that Teague is clearly superior to Hill is silly. The idea that all coaches and media have Teague over Hill is sillier.


SI has Hill at 56, Teague at 57.

B/R has Hill at 59, Teague at 64.

538 Carmelo has Hill's 5-year value $66 million and rates him a Good Starter. Teague is at $49 million and Average Starter

ESPN has Teague at 57 and Hill at 67


This year Teague is ripping it up, man, just like you said. 8 PPG, shooting lights out, man. 7% from 3, 22% overall. You were right, again.
 
♪alt13 said:
Which is why the 30 year old Hill is a perfect fit. He is very similar to what Exum can become. It will create continuity. Exum might not take over for another 4 or 5 years. That's ok. He will still only be about Hoods age and will hopefully have loads of playoff experience. This is how you win now and build something that will last.
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stuff I wrote this summer
 
LoPo said:
You're so cool buddy. We are 3-2 and on our way to win our first title. We are the Cubs. Lets get excited like everybody in Chitown. Awesome.

Or realize that we look good and Hill fits. We hope he stays for a reasonable price but we don't know that yet. We hope Exum is a future star but we don't know that yet. We hope we make the playoffs as a decent seed but we don't know that yet.

What good comes from being dicks to guys who are rooting for the same team? Is your life really that sad or **** really that tiny that you search for such small, meaningless victories?

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oh c'mon dude, don't be so precious ! Just man up and be big enough to say you were wrong and admit you really didn't know what the living heck you were talking about !! You might even get some brownie points and respect if you did instead of sounding like an uptight sooky la la sore loser Cheers !!
 
DownUnder said:
oh c'mon dude, don't be so precious ! Just man up and be big enough to say you were wrong and admit you really didn't know what the living heck you were talking about !! You might even get some brownie points and respect if you did instead of sounding like an uptight sooky la la sore loser Cheers !!
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I'm not sure what just happened...
 
colton said:
I'm on board with this trade, even if the Jazz don't get anything else abck. Although initially I was of the "Why didn't we get Teague?" camp, a closer look at the stats makes the Teague vs. Hill comparison much more of a wash than I had initially thought.


We'll see how this formats. From https://www.foxsports.com/nba/stats...&pos=0&team=0&qual=1&sortOrder=0&opp=0&page=2

Code: 
ADVANCED 	GP 	GS 	MPG 	USG% 	OFF RTG 	DEF RTG 	TS% 	eFG% 	FT RATE 	3FG TEND 	OFF REB% 	DEF REB% 	REB% 	AST% 	STL% 	BLK% 	TO%

 Teague, Jeff ATL
		79 	78 	28.5 	26.6 	105.4 		104.0 		.551 	.495 	31.6 		27.8 		1.6 		8.6 		5.2 	34.2% 	2.1% 	0.8% 	16.2%

 Hill, George IND
		74 	73 	34.1 	15.9 	111.8 		105.5 		.555 	.528 	20.3 		42.5 		2.5 		10.3 		6.5 	15.6% 	1.6% 	0.5% 	11.1%


Defensive rating is a wash. Offensive rating is very much in Hill's favor. Oddly, based on a different stat someone posted earlier in the thread, offensive rating was a wash and defensive rating was very much in Hill's favor. Hill has a much lower FT rate, which is bad.

Specific points in Hill's favor
Hill has a much higher 3 pt tendency, which is one of the things this Jazz team needs most.
Hill has a much lower TO %.
Hill has a much lower usage rate, which may be good.
Hill has a much lower TO %.

Specific points in Teague's favor
Hill has a much lower assist %.
Hill has significantly lower points per game (12.1 vs 15.7), which is bad... but which undoubtedly comes directly from his much lower usage rate.
Hill has a much lower FT rate.
Hill is two years older than Teague.

Points in no one's favor
3 pt % is a wash (not shown in those stats, but was 40.8% for Hill vs. 40% for Teague).


So overall, it seems that the two players are much more evenly matched than I initially felt.


Couple that with the statement from Hill's agent that he wants to re-sign in Utah, which I have to think he told the Jazz FO before the trade was finalized, and it looks like we got a darn good player on our roster who won't just be a one year rental, for the price of a 12 pick in a somewhat "meh" draft.

Edit:
P.S. Also, Hill is apparently friends with Hayward, so locker-room chemistry should be good, and as others have mentioned that may well help a bit in re-signing Hayward next year.
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That's what I had to say in June. Seems pretty level headed. :-) Interesting that Hill's been able to keep up the offensive efficiency even as his usage rate has increased to start the season. We'll see how that progresses. Hill's done better at assists than I expected. Same with getting to the line (eyeball test, anyway, I didn't look up his stat on that so far).

I had forgotten that last point, the P.S., which is that Hill and Hayward are apparently friends.

Obviously Teague is seriously under performing this season; presumably that'll improve at some point.
 
PG_AB said:
This trade is absolutely asinine, Very disappointed. Trey Burke status. 100% certainty that years down the line this will look foolish.

This move doesn't make Utah a threat to the top teams in the west. This is a move to appease the fanbase, baby steps type ****.

No way is this anywhere near maximum extracted value for the pick either.. This reeks of Dennis Lindsey playing favorites..
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Someone made a thread about this very comment. Anyone know where that thread is? [MENTION=253]Saint Cy of JFC[/MENTION] Tell me how wrong I was again. I know you were laughing about my usage of the word asinine.
 
MT Steve said:
Ya the Jazz should've maxed out Harrison Barnes instead.
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They should've. He'd have been the starting PF for most of the year considering the injuries and would be a key piece moving forward. There'd be another lottery pick on the roster and Exum would've had much more of a trial by fire this season.

And this 2017 pick would be higher..

Don't even get me started about what the team would look like if they had the gumption to trade Hayward at last years deadline or last years draft or this years deadline..We're talking a whole new direction of the team. Now instead they'll look to fill those spots with late 1st rd picks and bargain free agents.
 
Does anyone care more than PG_AB about random and fairly broad predictions made in the past?

Congrats, man. Except that Hill was great when available and helped Utah get to the playoffs and then win in the first round—while injured.
 
PG_AB said:
Look at how ****ing spot on I was. I'm embarrassed to bump this ****.



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Yes, it was such a disaster that Utah won 51 games, won a 1st round playoff series and a game 7 on the road, and then lost to quite possibly the greatest basketball team ever assembled. Man what a mess that trade was!
 
jazzman12 said:
Yes, it was such a disaster that Utah won 51 games, won a 1st round playoff series and a game 7 on the road, and then lost to quite possibly the greatest basketball team ever assembled. Man what a mess that trade was!
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Hahahahhahahahhaha Do you think that wasn't taken account into my comments when I made them? and these bumps are just a formation of luck?


It was Dennis Lindsey who didn't appraise the capacity of the threat properly, not I.


I don't show up to gun fights with a water pistol, as they did/planned. I show up with a bazooka or I don't show up at all..
 
LifeOnaPlate said:
Does anyone care more than PG_AB about random and fairly broad predictions made in the past?

Congrats, man. Except that Hill was great when available and helped Utah get to the playoffs and then win in the first round—while injured.
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DENY DENY DENY!! They care tho. They cared enough to make a thread about the initially bumped comment.

YOu literally said when Available. Checkmate. I said what happens if he gets injured, It;s high risk. Dude wasn;t even available vs the Warriors. I win.


What makes them broad? They were quite clearly very specific.


Now they might not care, but only because it doesn't serve the personal narratives they were trying to promote.


Bunch of children who throw stones and hide their hands. You literally have to write my comments off as random when they were quite clearly clairvoyant. Denial much?
 
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PG_AB said:
I'll take the #3 and #16 for Hayward, Max Harrison Barnes, run the offense thru Hood. And I wouldn't do this deal for 12.. There'd still be $$ to sign Conley or another max player.

The end result of next season is the same ---- the Jazz lose.. except the team is much younger 3 new rookies to develop and they'll have a btter chance to land a top pick in a better draft.. and they wont be on the hook to pay Hayward 30,000,000..

I have patience though.. To me this move signals the Jazz are choosing to take baby steps.. When I gamble, I like to go big (like the D-Will to NJ trade)

This trade is Tyson Chandler to the Knicks status IMO.
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