GT: Kings @ Jazz. 7 MST.

[MT Steve]

I think we all want progress... Making the playoffs is just that. 5 spots doesn't seem like much to me in this years draft. Top 8 seem okay but after that it seems very eye of the beholder.

We have guys who are going to want to build and see progress that are going to be free agents... That factor plus the fact that players do grow because of playoff experience and it is well worth the lotto spots. The time for tanking has past... We are too good for that **** now

It's not tanking I'm advocating. I'd just prefer a losing record didn't qualify us for the playoffs. Let me make this clearer:

Let's pretend for a second that the West is so terrible, 29 games would get you the 8th spot. If the Jazz only won 29 games, would you take playoffs over the significantly better draft pick? That's how I feel, except it's the high 30's instead of the high 20's we're dealing with.

If the Jazz made the playoffs this year with a winning record, that would be awesome progress, and a major positive. If they make it with a losing record, and backdoor their way in because the lower half of the West is terrible? Waste of time - I'd prefer a better draft pick at that point. Making the playoffs with a losing record doesn't give you a power boost. There's nothing magical about it. I wish people would stop pretending otherwise.

 

[MT Steve]

These aren't the Pelicans or nets. That's just laughable and idiotic.

Not as laughable and idiotic as assuming that making the playoffs power levels you. By the way, why are you even bringing up the Nets? I was referring more to the Bucks, Celtics, and yes, the Pelicans. All up and coming young teams (especially the first two). All made the playoffs last year. All out of the playoff picture this year. The successful development of a young team, pretty god damn clearly, isn't contingent upon whether or not they squeak into the playoffs.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I just want to say, I think the "playoff experience" thing is just not true if you are a mediocre team squeaking in and promptly swept. 8th seed in West last year --- New Orleans. How did all that "playoff experience" go for them this year? What about Milwaukee Bucks, a 41-41 6th seed? Terrible this year, with a young core.

Our team ain't a playoff team. Do we play any games this year where you think "I'm pretty sure we will win this game"? Well, maybe tonight (which we lost). I don't think we'll be favored in any upcoming games other than the Lakers. The team sucks, I'm not happy with it. It's mostly injuries. But i'm getting ready to throw in the towel and be zen about it.

I'm super down to make the playoffs, but as a team that earns it. As a 39 win 8th seed that only makes it because we were only slightly less bad than the Kings and Blazers were? No thanks. I'll take a 10th overall pick in that case. ****ing frustrated.

People, we are down 2 starters, and 1 6th man. It'll be ****ing fine. Jesus. We're making the playoffs, barring further injuries.

 

[Deleted member 848]

The absence of Derrick has accelerated Trey's development (Lyles). This should be applauded. Nearly had a 20 point game, following a 16 point game. He's gonna fit in ****ing perfectly once Derrick returns. Then we can get some attention off of Gordon, and let Fav carry us for the next several weeks.

It'll be okay.

 

[Revolution 9]

The play of Lyles is at least something to hang our hat on. Damn it we need some more offensive punch. We need a consistent 3 pt shooter to go with Hood.
The problem is that Burks isnt that. I hope we can somehow pull a trade off to fill this need or get this guy in the 2016 draft with our mid level pick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-LzU6ERbwk

 

[stix737]

Thanks awesome highlights of Trey Lyles. His balance scores finally paying off.

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[fishonjazz]

Take a shot on me.

Body shot!

 

[fishonjazz]

Oh yeah, that psychological effect is really helping out the Pelicans this year isn't it.

Why do you keep implying getting your *** swept in the first round by the Warriors levels you up?

So should the goal for the jazz, rockets, grizzlies, trailblazers and the teams in the east that are in the 8-10 spot be to get the coveted 10-14 spots in the draft cause that will get them all the championships?

 

[fishonjazz]

You either tank properly or you're all in for the win.

This

 

[fishonjazz]

Making the playoffs with 30 something wins a year after missing it with 30 something wins doesn't show improvement at all. It shows the West has regressed.

What if we make the playoffs with 40 something wins?

You seem locked in on this 35 or 36 wins and making the playoffs as the 8th seed against the warriors.
It's not a foregone conclusion. I think there is still a ****load of games left iirc

 

[fishonjazz]

Who gives a **** if you're considered a scrub team or an irrelevant marginal team?! I still hope that Exum works out, and the team meshes into something special when everyone is healthy. But as it stands, making the playoffs makes no difference whatsoever to the future of the team. In fact, I'll take 5 better spots in the lottery ten out of ten times, over making the playoffs with 35 wins to get embarrassed.

How do we know that the jazz are going to end up with 35 wins again?

 

[fishonjazz]

Every single young up-and-coming team that squeaked into the playoffs last year is out of the playoff picture and doing much worse this year. Doesn't make any sense, I thought they all leveled up?

Do you think there has ever been a team that squeaked in to the playoffs and then got better next year or does making the playoffs automatically mean that you level down?

You seem to be saying that 8th seed = level down every bit as much as jamezz is saying 8th seed = level up.

Imo it could go either way depending on many many factors

 

[fishonjazz]

It's all that intense experience bruh. You suck and you barely get into the playoffs, then you soak all that elite experience into your bones, and then you're suddenly better than all of those other teams ahead of you that also made the playoffs. Flawless logic.

Yep. Flawless logic is that making the playoffs makes you much worse and getting the 12 pick in the draft makes you a contender

 

[fishonjazz]

I'm sorry guys. I'm just in a really bad mood. On top of this ****ty loss, I'm having the worst poker night of my life. This ****ing piece of **** idiot PLAYS EVERY HAND AND CALLS EVERY BET. But he can't ****ing lose! And people believe in God!! Down $250 to that **** already.

It's all good

 

[fishonjazz]

Lots of hyperbole in this thread.

There's a case to make for both sides of the argument - tank and get a better pick (because they've underachieved so far and need more talent) or play balls out to make it to the playoffs regardless of the end results because winning now should (hopefully) lead to more winning. It's not that making it to the playoffs makes you magically better. . . it's that making the playoffs gives you a chance to learn and grow on a big stage.

I'm 100% convinced that the Jazz team that went 19-10 (and played amazing defense after the All Star break last year) would not have been swept if they had made it to the playoffs. If this team can add a player at the deadline, GET HEALTHY, and start playing like that again. . . I think they'll at least be competitive. They won't get swept. They probably won't win, but they won't get swept. Also, an injury to Curry or Green completely changes the dynamics of the series. (Kind of like how Gallinari and Lawson going down impacted the Nuggets/Warriors series back in 2013 - as an example.)

I don't think making the playoffs automatically makes you better, but how you play on the big stage CAN give you a boost in confidence that can be built on for the future. But you need to get there first. The goal needs to be 42 wins. Get to a winning record and not focus on playoffs or seeding. No quality free agent is going to want to play for the Jazz if they stay treadmill or take a step back. The goal should be to win enough games (in conjunction with a big pile of money) to entice someone of value to come to the Jazz. Can't do that when you continue to miss the playoffs year after year.

Allah dis

Took the words out of my mouth.
People seem to be forgetting how we finished last year.
I don't know what our record was last year at this point in the season but I bet it was worse than it currently is and we finished with 38 (?) wins yet now our ceiling to some people is only 35 wins in a weaker western conference? Doesn't make much sense to me

 

[fishonjazz]

Let's pretend for a second that the West is so terrible, 29 games would get you the 8th spot. If the Jazz only won 29 games, would you take playoffs over the significantly better draft pick?

Depends.
If the jazz get swept and lose every game by 20 and the 10th pick ends up having a career like dirk nowitzki then I would rather miss the playoffs.

If the jazz go into the playoffs on a winning streak with everyone healthy, including exum, and then win a couple games in the playoffs and have a good showing and the #10 pick turns out to be kirk snyder type player then I would rather make the playoffs.

One thing I know for sure. The jazz won't finish with 29 wins. And 29 wins won't be enough to make the playoffs.

 

[fishonjazz]

Not as laughable and idiotic as assuming that making the playoffs power levels you.

Do you really think that someone believes that making the playoffs automatically levels you up?

Jamezz saying that playoff experience could be valuable to the jazz is not the same thing as automatically magically levelling up.

 

[NAOS]

The play of Lyles is at least something to hang our hat on. Damn it we need some more offensive punch. We need a consistent 3 pt shooter to go with Hood.
The problem is that Burks isnt that. I hope we can somehow pull a trade off to fill this need or get this guy in the 2016 draft with our mid level pick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-LzU6ERbwk

pretty encouraging stuff in a discouraging stretch.

Gonna say it: the play at 0:26 is hardcore Boozer. Good Boozer. O_O

 

[Stoked]

Just watched a replay of that Cousins dunk after the whistle where he knocked Booker out. Cousins dunks and immediately looks down. When he steps forward and looks up he is surprised to find Booker there. How and the hell are you surprised?! You just nailed him in the face literally 1 second ago!

To his credit is immediate reaction was to steady Booker a little by holding on to him. But seriously? How are you surprised lol?

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Not as laughable and idiotic as assuming that making the playoffs power levels you. By the way, why are you even bringing up the Nets? I was referring more to the Bucks, Celtics, and yes, the Pelicans. All up and coming young teams (especially the first two). All made the playoffs last year. All out of the playoff picture this year. The successful development of a young team, pretty god damn clearly, isn't contingent upon whether or not they squeak into the playoffs.

My god!!! Let me soak this in for a minute...

What the hell is power level?!? Is that like Mario getting a mushroom. God, I swear this board has gone the way of the thumb suckers. How old are u idiots. Grow up and stop sucking on your moms milk factory just long enough to realize this is not the Pelicans, Nets, Bucks, Celtics. And whoever else u named. The Jazz are up and coming, not these teams in two years we will have An offensive big 3 in Hayward, Hood, and Favors to go with the best most unique rim protector. Then we have we have two good scorers in Burke and Burks coming off the bench and then add last nights Trey Lyles and amino Gobert in Whithy. This team has no business in the late lotto and every ****ing reason to be in the playoffs. I don't know what this power level thing is u speak of, but playoff basketball is the next step in the process of our rebuild. Winning is all about experience and the playoffs is a whole bother beast entirely. While your talking about eating mushrooms, I'm talking about the evolution and experience of the team.

U should take a break from your moms milk factory and grow up!

The play of Lyles is at least something to hang our hat on. Damn it we need some more offensive punch. We need a consistent 3 pt shooter to go with Hood.
The problem is that Burks isnt that. I hope we can somehow pull a trade off to fill this need or get this guy in the 2016 draft with our mid level pick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-LzU6ERbwk

Awesome, Thanks. Didn't get to see the game. I expected to see a ton of jump shots and he's driving and throwing it down. Love it.


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