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Hayward reportedly torn ..

Hills injuries are not chronic and his injury history is good. No reason to believe last season was anything other than a fluke.

But that's certainly possible. Would still love a Hill, Beverly and Exum PG rotation.

Toe and foot problems can be chronic. He took time off and it did not get better.
 
Exactly, and this is why I think it’s all BS. I think Boston is going to be going after Blake Griffin, he fits their need at a position they could use help at.


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Also may not get full max because of health concerns and might be done with CP3
 
They turned down #3 for Jimmy Butler straight up.

The stupidity of this continues to astound me. Best case Tatum turns into Butler. If they get Hayward "for free" Tatum gets buried. If you get a chance to snag Butler for something you can easily afford, you do that, every damn day. This is why you stockpile assets. And ESPECIALLY when you draft like ***, like the Celtics have been doing. ALWAYS take the sure thing.
 
The stupidity of this continues to astound me. Best case Tatum turns into Butler. If they get Hayward "for free" Tatum gets buried. If you get a chance to snag Butler for something you can easily afford, you do that, every damn day. This is why you stockpile assets. And ESPECIALLY when you draft like ***, like the Celtics have been doing. ALWAYS take the sure thing.

Ainge is a good GM but seems to be consumed with raping everybody in trades and so he never really packages stuff together... has hurt them the last couple years.

I think he's making a lot of assumptions and I hope it comes back to bite him in the balls.
 
We will have to give up an asset to give him... if they wanted to move him for just space 29 teams could figure that out real quick.

If we give up an asset to get Beverly it isn't to have him back up Hill (with Exum and Mitchell both on the roster too)

We'd use Hill's money on another position of need.

Eh, give them the OKC Pick, or our pick next year. They need zero salary back. Not many teams that want to get Beverly can send no salary back. We are likely dumping Mack, Neto, Withey, and Diaw. Bring Mitchell along slowly. If he blows up, we could get a nice price for Hood, who we likely won't be able to afford later anyway.
 
Ainge is a good GM but seems to be consumed with raping everybody in trades and so he never really packages stuff together... has hurt them the last couple years.

I think he's making a lot of assumptions and I hope it comes back to bite him in the balls.

Unless all of the apparent obsession with SF's is a smokescreen for his eventual signing of Griffin. Then he is a genius. At that point everything lines up and makes sense.
 
Unless all of the apparent obsession with SF's is a smokescreen for his eventual signing of Griffin. Then he is a genius. At that point everything lines up and makes sense.
Or the rumored deal in place for George is
true. Tatum for George; Hayward signs as a free agent. That's best case for Boston.
 
Calling it now.

Jazz get Beverly and then re-sign Hayward, Hill and Ingles.

Boston strikes out.

Jazz are the only one to improve.

Mack and Neto won't be on the team this season IMO. Neither will Withey.

Gobert/Bradley
Favors/Bolomboy/Diaw
Hayward/Ingles/JJ
Hood/Mitchell/Burks
Hill/Beverly/Exum

No set rotations. Just a players list. Jazz D, toughness, rebounding, shooting and PG rotation play all improve.

2nd seed and WCFs.

1-4:

Warriors
Jazz
Spurs (if the land CP3)
Rockets.

I agree with something similar to this. But I think if we get Beverley then Hill is gone. I think Neto stays, Burks goes. And I still think Favors is likely moved because he's headed for FA next year and I don't think we'd re-sign him.
 
I agree with something similar to this. But I think if we get Beverley then Hill is gone. I think Neto stays, Burks goes. And I still think Favors is likely moved because he's headed for FA next year and I don't think we'd re-sign him.


Hill will stay or go based on how much we give him. Not based on who his back up is.

Or do you mean that if we get Beverley than the Jazz won't go after Hill? If so I disagree. I think they actually see that as one of the cheapest and easiest ways they can upgrade the roster and maintain their defensive identity.

Beverley gets 5.5 million next year.

Macks is a free agent, Neto gets 1 mill. Plus the 1.4 mill they save in the deal to get Mitchell. That means the team really only spent 3.1 million and upgraded their bench and PG play. This makes to much sense not to do it.

Unless the Rockets are asking for something unreasonable.

The hold up I think, is that the Jazz have a few other possibilities on the PG front and they are just seeing what they like best.
 
So basically you just don't think they will.

DL is actively looking at PGs and is still meeting with Hill when free agency opens. PG rotation play was one of two biggest areas of concern this season. Imo

DL sending mixed signals on the pg situation.

He is actively looking for a pg, he drafts some combo guards and talks up how Exum is going to be 'tremendous'.

I guess he is just giving Quin a bunch of contingencies ..... (But would love to really know what he thinks)...
 
Does anybody pause at the idea of giving Hill and Hayward a combined $50 million this summer? Thats over half our cap number with it now being $99 million.

I like them both, but really think about those numbers for a little bit. I want to keep Hayward, but signing Hill to make Hayward stay can bite us in the ***.

I think Hill at $18+ will feel like a Ryan Anderson, Luol Deng, Noah or Brandon Knight salary anchor deal sooner rather than later.

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DL sending mixed signals on the pg situation.

He is actively looking for a pg, he drafts some combo guards and talks up how Exum is going to be 'tremendous'.

I guess he is just giving Quin a bunch of contingencies ..... (But would love to really know what he thinks)...

I don't see that as mixed signals. I see that as trying to get the best PG rotation possible. PG was a problem this year.
 
Calling it now.

Jazz get Beverly and then re-sign Hayward, Hill and Ingles.

Boston strikes out.

Jazz are the only one to improve.

Mack and Neto won't be on the team this season IMO. Neither will Withey.

Gobert/Bradley
Favors/Bolomboy/Diaw
Hayward/Ingles/JJ
Hood/Mitchell/Burks
Hill/Beverly/Exum

No set rotations. Just a players list. Jazz D, toughness, rebounding, shooting and PG rotation play all improve.

2nd seed and WCFs.

1-4:

Warriors
Jazz
Spurs (if the land CP3)
Rockets.
In your scenario I highly doubt Diaw, or Burks are still on the team. Just can't see those contracts remaining on the team with paying what you need to keep Hill and Hayward.
 
AllllRiiiiiight... my final thoughts on Gordo and I'm checking out. Gone through my stages of grief and am officially at acceptance.

Gordo... if you decide to leave that's cool enjoy, but realize you ain't KD and you ain't joining the 73 win warriors... fail and you will catch grief and pain times two... you are joining what could be the 3rd best team in the league... sweet, but that is failure based on what you are doing and there are some serious ifs there... if IT is healthy (he's not... this deferred hip decision is dumb and clearly he's delaying the surgery until after free agency)... if number 2 if they can get PG.... if they can clear max space. There are some serious ifs there.

So if they put it together they will have a good team... you will be hot **** for 6-12 weeks, but the shine will wear off and when you don't win a title you will be just another failure and they will look for an upgrade. Maybe give Deron a call before you leave and see how he's doing. You guys are different, but both have non-superstar personalities... a little aloof, a little mercurial, a little lonerish, but you will struggle just like him in the increased spot light and your name will end up in trade rumors. Take Jae Crowder 2 years ago... they loved him... now all I hear is negativity and they cheer for a guy from another team they MIGHT get.

Gordo - Boston is the hot secretary in your office... you think she's perfect and that your wife nags too much... leave the wife for her and you will find all her flaws too...

Speaking of that... what are you leaving? You are leaving an organization that put their trust in you and worked for 7 god damn years to help you become what you are and put you in a position to succeed. Their have been bumps in the road and you have obviously worked your *** off to get here but its been a successful, not perfect, partnership. We are in just as good of a position to be the third best team in the league as Boston and have a chance to wait out the current nba powerhouse if we are patience. Ahhhhh yes patience....

I know we may have been too patient with the rebuild for you... we were too patient with Ty Corbin, but don't you want patience... didn't you need patience with your development. Yes you were once a boy playing in a man's league with the star player trying to decapitate you with passes and getting straight punked by Carmelo Anthony... did we panic? What if we had? Would you have become the player you are? maybe you would, but the roads of the NBA are littered with guys who are talented but didn't find the right environments and right help.

Its that same patience that has had us stick by AB, Favs, Exum in their struggles... you think we wouldn't stick by you in your struggles?

You've got a good coach, good management, good environment for your family, good teammates, and a fanbase that ****ing loves you... We funded a damn billboard for hells sakes. You want to throw that away for what could be a lateral move... then fine. You want a BIG MARKET to be a super duper star.... fine. When the shine wears off and those fanbases that aren't emotionally invested in you decided that maybe they could trade you for a top 10 pick and sign someone else because you'll never get them to a championship... then go... get the **** out... we will find someone else who appreciates what we can offer.

Stay and we will support you thick and thin... we will gradually add and become a team that has a just as good of a chance as Boston does. You helped build this, let us continue to build around you, finish this project and win or lose you are a champion and will forever be appreciated in this state by a fanbase that is just as passionate as the one in Boston.

Let's ****ing do this Gordo!
 
In your scenario I highly doubt Diaw, or Burks are still on the team. Just can't see those contracts remaining on the team with paying what you need to keep Hill and Hayward.

They can actually.

Now Diaw is on a team option so they could drop him but they'd need to bring in another big as that would drop the Jazz to 4 total between the 4 and 5.

As for Burks, rumors are the Jazz are keeping him and at least hoping to rehab his value.

So if one leaves it'll be Diaw IMO.
 
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#Stayward confirmed!
 
They can actually.

Now Diaw is on a team option so they could drop him but they'd need to bring in another big as that would drop the Jazz to 4 total between the 4 and 5.

As for Burks, rumors are the Jazz are keeping him and at least hoping to rehab his value.

So if one leaves it'll be Diaw IMO.

Gobert, Bradley, Favors, JJ, Bolomboy
 
Hayward will stay. I'm 100% convinced after the draft. I always thought he would stay, but for a few weeks before the draft I was nervous. Now I'm not. Ainge isn't relinquishing his death grip on Boston's future picks or gutting his roster to trade for another star player. And that was the only way I could see them pulling Hayward away. I'm hyped for the future that we have!!
 
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