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LoPo said:
Does anybody pause at the idea of giving Hill and Hayward a combined $50 million this summer? Thats over half our cap number with it now being $99 million.

I like them both, but really think about those numbers for a little bit. I want to keep Hayward, but signing Hill to make Hayward stay can bite us in the ***.

I think Hill at $18+ will feel like a Ryan Anderson, Luol Deng, Noah or Brandon Knight salary anchor deal sooner rather than later.

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I'm with you. Neither Hill nor Hayward are worth that. Qualifier: Hayward and Hill are a good players -- just not that $$ good. For the right price, sure. But it won't be a good price. So....
 
Hayward's torn?? Wah, I've been torn with my jazz fandom ever since KOC drafted Hayward. I have a really hard time drinking the Hayward hype-propaganda. He's good, sure. He's maybe a second best player on a competitive team, but probably more of a third best. Jazz have won games without him and lost some with him. He doesnt really move the meter one way or the other. He's not a go-to scorer when we need it. Jazz should reserve the big $ for a player who can be clutch when we need it. We might not have said player on the team yet, but that's no reason to surrender the keys to Hayward.
All I can say is I'm so glad Gobert is on this team or my fandom would be plunged into total despondency.

Sorry to interrupt the bellyaching. Carry on. #goawayward
 
I swear, this talk of Hayward only being 3rd option on a contender will never end.
 
BENTLEY said:
Hayward's torn?? Wah, I've been torn with my jazz fandom ever since KOC drafted Hayward. I have a really hard time drinking the Hayward hype-propaganda. He's good, sure. He's maybe a second best player on a competitive team, but probably more of a third best. Jazz have won games without him and lost some with him. He doesnt really move the meter one way or the other. He's not a go-to scorer when we need it. Jazz should reserve the big $ for a player who can be clutch when we need it. We might not have said player on the team yet, but that's no reason to surrender the keys to Hayward.
All I can say is I'm so glad Gobert is on this team or my fandom would be plunged into total despondency.

Sorry to interrupt the bellyaching. Carry on. #goawayward
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So you didn't watch any Jazz basketball last year?

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Remember Hayward's contract year?

"Can he earn the max"
"Is he worth it?"
"This is a very important year for him"

He improved his numbers as usual but taking over as the lead man seemed to show some of his weaknesses. He had some really bad games. I still remember listening to his 0-12 or whatever performance while at work.

Offseason comes around, it felt like a near 50-50 split on here

"You want to give THIS dude a max contract"
"He could never be the best player on a good team, hell i'm not sure if he would be the second or third"

I liked Hayward as a player. I did not feel he had earned the max with his play that season. When he signed with Charlotte I said "I'll miss you Hayward, but we can't match that. We can't put the future of the franchise in your hands, not good enough."

We matched and he's been a stud and gotten better every year. I've accepted how wrong I was. Everyone must follow suit.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
Remember Hayward's contract year?

"Can he earn the max"
"Is he worth it?"
"This is a very important year for him"

He improved his numbers as usual but taking over as the lead man seemed to show some of his weaknesses. He had some really bad games. I still remember listening to his 0-12 or whatever performance while at work.

Offseason comes around, it felt like a near 50-50 split on here

"You want to give THIS dude a max contract"
"He could never be the best player on a good team, hell i'm not sure if he would be the second or third"

I liked Hayward as a player. I did not feel he had earned the max with his play that season. When he signed with Charlotte I said "I'll miss you Hayward, but we can't match that. We can't put the future of the franchise in your hands, not good enough."

We matched and he's been a stud and gotten better every year. I've accepted how wrong I was. Everyone must follow suit.
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Me exactly.
Didn't want to match then, want to max him now.
He was way better in his current contract year (last season) that his last contract year (just before the Charlotte max offer)...... way better.
 
mellow said:
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Tony Jones reported it is years not money with Hill too.
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-More years
-More money
-Good relationship with coach and GM
-Leader of his own young up and coming team.
-guaranteed retired number, Utah legend, maybe even a statue.
-Best center in the game who is still getting better.

vs

-less money
-less years
-Best player on team is a 5'10" point guard with a glass hip who will be mega maxed or out the door next year.
-uproot family
-become the 30th or so most important Celtic ever.
-Maybe cracks top 200 of all time Boston sports figures.
-But his coach from 8 years ago!!!!!


How the **** is it 60/40? Why are you doing this to us Hayward? :(
 
BENTLEY said:
Hayward's torn?? Wah, I've been torn with my jazz fandom ever since KOC drafted Hayward. I have a really hard time drinking the Hayward hype-propaganda. He's good, sure. He's maybe a second best player on a competitive team, but probably more of a third best. Jazz have won games without him and lost some with him. He doesnt really move the meter one way or the other. He's not a go-to scorer when we need it. Jazz should reserve the big $ for a player who can be clutch when we need it. We might not have said player on the team yet, but that's no reason to surrender the keys to Hayward.
All I can say is I'm so glad Gobert is on this team or my fandom would be plunged into total despondency.

Sorry to interrupt the bellyaching. Carry on. #goawayward
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If this is what you think, you are undervaluing him. He and Gobert were the only Jazz players that belonged on the same court with Golden State. He's a tier 2 talent. Top 25 player. Those guys don't grow on trees.
 
Hayward's work ethic has pushed his capability each year in the NBA, and his stats and on court game prove this. A player that works hard with continued growth is a rarity. Even after adding a ton of depth to the team Hayward showed his growth on offense. He is also underrated on defense.

Losing a player like this is about the worst thing that can happen to a team on the rise.
 
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