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houston's plan b?

MoTown16 said:
Why would they trade away good prospects or picks to get him for a year? It's not like they're going to the playoffs. They have the option of bidding for him as a FA in 2013 just like every other team. Sure, there's a bit of an advantage to having his rights (5-yr contract vs. 4), but not enough to warrant giving up good assets.
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Who said we need assets?
 
Houston and Al seems like a natural fit, I wonder if the Jazz are asking a high price for Al that will lower as we get closer to the season. There is no reason to sell ourselves short this early in the process.

With that said, if we could get back what we gave up for him, ie a few first rounders and a TPE, I'd be satisfied.
 
theNBAnerd said:
was just looking for info on houston's cap holds and tradable assets and found this on ESPN's offseason grades. it's insider content, so someone yell at me if i'm posting too much of it.



obviously he struck out on dwight, but what those couple of paragraphs made me think is that al would be the perfect target for morey. he has something to show the fan base for all the asset-stockpiling and the letting scola go and all that... but he still has flexibility to swing at the free agent class next year. you have to think he's sitting down with his people figuring out the next step... let's just hope the jazz are interested when he calls.
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Nerd - The Jazz will only trade Al if they get a serviceable big. IMO that means someone who is more ready and can contribute more right now that Kanter. They would love pieces for the future but they will insist on being in the playoff hunt this year. Trading Al reduces those odds greatly without something better than what I am reading coming back in return. Given Kanter's performance in the summer league, we need a lot of help if Al is gone.
 
gomretat said:
Nerd - The Jazz will only trade Al if they get a serviceable big. IMO that means someone who is more ready and can contribute more right now that Kanter. They would love pieces for the future but they will insist on being in the playoff hunt this year. Trading Al reduces those odds greatly without something better than what I am reading coming back in return. Given Kanter's performance in the summer league, we need a lot of help if Al is gone.
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Or the Jazz will simply be better by virtue of being rid of the purveyor of some of the fakest numbers since Antoine Walker.
 
I've been hanging out in General lately .. just checking back in over here only recently.

Yes, Jazz were in heavy and consistent talks with HOU for a many weeks leading up to the draft. I don't know (or don't recall) the details, if I knew any at all .. but I do know there was A LOT of talk. Actually, I remember we were trying to get draft pick(s), but I can't remember, for sure, what we were giving up. If memory serves, they were the only team that was seemingly interested in Al.
 
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gomretat said:
Nerd - The Jazz will only trade Al if they get a serviceable big. IMO that means someone who is more ready and can contribute more right now that Kanter. They would love pieces for the future but they will insist on being in the playoff hunt this year. Trading Al reduces those odds greatly without something better than what I am reading coming back in return. Given Kanter's performance in the summer league, we need a lot of help if Al is gone.
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see, i disagree. i think the whole point of shopping al/paul is so that the jazz can give MORE of a role to favors and kanter. if they trade al for someone who is just going to step in front of kanter and be an obstacle to him getting the minutes/touches he needs to get better, then what's the point?
 
PKM said:
I've been hanging out in General lately .. just checking back in over here only recently.

Yes, Jazz were in heavy and consistent talks with HOU for a many weeks leading up to the draft. I don't know (or don't recall) the details, if I knew any at all .. but I do know there was A LOT of talk. Actually, I remember we were trying to get draft pick(s), but I can't remember, for sure, what we were giving up. If memory serves, they were the only team that was seemingly interested in Al.
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i'd love to hear that attributed to an actual source... but assuming you're correct, we should call morey and not hang up the phone until he is the proud owner of a new center from prentiss, MS.
 
MoTown16 said:
Why would they trade away good prospects or picks to get him for a year? It's not like they're going to the playoffs. They have the option of bidding for him as a FA in 2013 just like every other team. Sure, there's a bit of an advantage to having his rights (5-yr contract vs. 4), but not enough to warrant giving up good assets.
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they have the rights to something like 20 players right now, including 9-10 big men. they can barely be described as "assets" when everybody knows that, come late october, you're ditching 5 of them for nothing.

besides, their whole strategy was to stockpile those assets to get dwight, who is also expiring this season and who had already said wouldn't sign an extension. so how is that any different? you're saying they wouldn't give up assets to get a one-year player, and the whole offseason strategy they've signalled says you are wrong.
 
just found this interesting blog post by feigen, who covers the rockets for the houston chronicle. got some insight on what exactly was on the table for orlando and where they want to go from here.

https://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2012/08/lakers-acquire-howard-what-next-for-rockets/

according to this, houston was offering the following for dwight:
* the toronto pick they got for lowry, which will be a lotto pick unless the raps make the playoffs in each of the next six seasons.
* a pick from dallas, likely to be a mid first-rounder
* two players from among patterson, morris, motiejunas, lamb, white and jones
* they were going to take back two bad orlando contracts (2 of the 3: hedo, duhon, jrich)
* AND they were open to adding a pick of their own, likely a late lotto pick.

so here's my question -- if dwight is worth that stack of assets, what will they be willing to offer for plan B? morey indicated that they are still shopping when he said, “I’d say we need to get All-Star-level play whether it is through the draft, free agency or a trade. Whenever there is an opportunity to take one of those steps, we want to be involved if it makes sense for all parties.”

jefferson's not an all-star, but he has been close a couple of times. so what if we just asked them for this, instead of what they were offering for howard.

* they can keep the toronto pick. that's a likely top ten pick, so they're probably not going to part with.
* we'll take the pick from dallas, likely to be a mid first-rounder
* instead of two players from among patterson, morris, motiejunas, lamb, white and jones, we'll just take one. my pref: jones or white.
* instead of taking back 15-20M in bad orlando contracts, they just have to swallow roger braille's 3.3M
* and instead of taking their pick, we'll just include it as a "right to exchange" for 2013 and 2014. meaning that we can opt to take their pick instead of ours if it's better in either of those two drafts, top 6 protected.
 
theNBAnerd said:
i'd love to hear that attributed to an actual source... but assuming you're correct, we should call morey and not hang up the phone until he is the proud owner of a new center from prentiss, MS.
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Sorry, really, I can't give my sources (though a few here know to a large degree), but the info is as accurate/dependable as anything else one could get from anyone.
 
NBA rumor central just tweeted something about Houston in position to acquire Greg Monroe. Looks like our worthless center isn't worth anything to them.
 
Since you asked nerd, I would do Al for the Toronto 1st and Hedu's crappy contract. It would save us some money this year and Hedu's contract so far as I can tell is not guaranteed next season. Let's be honest, none of those young guys listed are bringing us a ring. Nor is the Dallas pick which will be middle of the road at worst. That Toronto pick could though. That's an invaluable asset that could land us an elite player.

I think trading Jefferson and taking on a crap contract in Hedu could help get it done. If I'm Houston, I wouldn't do it though. So the question then becomes, what else would it take to get it done? My gut tells me A LOT more as a once a decade guy like Howard is worth infinitely more than a guy like Jefferson who, quite frankly, is average.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Since you asked nerd, I would do Al for the Toronto 1st and Hedu's crappy contract. It would save us some money this year and Hedu's contract so far as I can tell is not guaranteed next season. Let's be honest, none of those young guys listed are bringing us a ring. Nor is the Dallas pick which will be middle of the road at worst. That Toronto pick could though. That's an invaluable asset that could land us an elite player.

I think trading Jefferson and taking on a crap contract in Hedu could help get it done. If I'm Houston, I wouldn't do it though. So the question then becomes, what else would it take to get it done? My gut tells me A LOT more as a once a decade guy like Howard is worth infinitely more than a guy like Jefferson who, quite frankly, is average.
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This trade idea confuses me
 
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