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Is Favors in the long-term plans at this point?

Yeah, I think we should keep Favors if possible. Still want to see an Exum, Mitchell, Jingles, Favors, Gobert lineup. A signed Favors is still a damn good asset.
 
framer said:
Yeah, I think we should keep Favors if possible. Still want to see an Exum, Mitchell, Jingles, Favors, Gobert lineup. A signed Favors is still a damn good asset.
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I would also like to see that lineup. I would also be happy to see a Mitchell, Hood, Jingles, Favors and Gobert lineup this season.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I'm going to claw my face off trying to walk the whole world through this:
1) Favors has played with space this year, Gobert has not. Gobert did last year, it seemed to go pretty ****ing well.
2) The team and offense continues to be a work in progress. Mitchell is playing a lot better, the team is both generating and hitting more open shots. Favors benefits from this, again, largely because he's the guy in the middle.
3) Favors is not re-signing here with Gobert here*. If you want to keep Favors longtern, you'd have to trade our franchise player, one of the most effective defenders to ever live, one of the most efficient offensive players in the world when he has space, and that's already locked down just so you can HOPE that you can re-sign Favors. That is insane.

* DUH. He's also been signaling that he's probably on his way out for a couple years now. With this stretch, you can bet he's more certain than ever of his place and his worth, and that's not me throwing shade about it. Furthermore, he's had chronic injuries for years and years, and we're supposed to just assume that that issue has vanished?
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It must be nice being so much smarter than the rest of the world.

1) This team has been extremely mediocre with Gobert starting. Most of you were talking about tanking. Gobert played well with space last year and, oh, also someone named Gordon Hayward. Favors is playing with Thabo Sefalosha.
2) The problem with the Jazz all year has been their ability to score. Stop acting like it's coincidental that the Jazz offense is better right now. Half the buckets that Favors is getting are because he can actually catch a pass and finish when it's thrown to him. Gobert either bobbles it, or if he catches it, takes a couple seconds to shake off the shock of actually catching the ball, pump fakes a couple times, then goes up and gets hacked, at which point he struts back to the free throw line to make one out of two free throws.
3) I agree, Favors is not re-signing with Gobert here. Hopefully we can trade Gobert for an actual all-star and start contending.
 
Favors is a luxury the Jazz have enjoyed for several years now, but it will end. You don't invest 40 million a year in centers, not in todays NBA.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I'm going to claw my face off trying to walk the whole world through this:
1) Favors has played with space this year, Gobert has not. Gobert did last year, it seemed to go pretty ****ing well.
2) The team and offense continues to be a work in progress. Mitchell is playing a lot better, the team is both generating and hitting more open shots. Favors benefits from this, again, largely because he's the guy in the middle.
3) Favors is not re-signing here with Gobert here. If you want to keep Favors longtern, you'd have to trade our franchise player, one of the most effective defenders to ever live, one of the most efficient offensive players in the world when he has space, and that's already locked down just so you can HOPE that you can re-sign Favors. That
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Tabasco said:
It must be nice being so much smarter than the rest of the world.
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Nah, most of the basketball world sees what I'm seeing, not sure where you are.

You have failed to address spacing even once. This isn't the ****ing 80's.

And if the Jazz trade Gobert and Favors doesn't re-sign, then, what, job well ****ing done?
 
You can't trade Gobert if you aren't sure if Favs resigns. No way the Jazz do this. If they resign Favs before the trade deadline then that could be a sign of either a sign and trade or Gobert getting moved. But you can't trade Gobert and have Favs leave. We'd be ****ed!
 
Why couldn't something like this work?

Rubio/Gobert 16 min/game
Rubio/Favors 16 min/game
Gobert/Favors 16 min/game

We benefit from having two of these guys on the floor the whole game, but never all three. Each player gets 32 min/game.
 
I guess, ultimately, if Favors would say, and we were forced to choose between Rubio and Favors, I would choose Favors and wouldn't even blink. That is assuming Favors would stay of course.
 
Ron Mexico said:
I would also like to see that lineup. I would also be happy to see a Mitchell, Hood, Jingles, Favors and Gobert lineup this season.
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MDAV28 said:
We have seen it. 22 minutes of it at least. +24.7 net rating. Same lineup w/ Rubio instead of Mitchell, -8.4 net rating.
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And just consider how much better Mitchell, Hood and Jingles have all been over the past 10 (or so) games. I’d like to see more of it, plus Gobert and Favors staggered at the 5 with a stretchy 4.

Maybe it works. Maybe it doesn’t. But I’d sure like to see it in action before just assuming that one of them has to go. Haven’t really seen both guys healthy at the same time (with a good supporting cast) since the end of the 2014/15 season after the Kanter trade.
 
I think that Rubio in the problem in the starting lineup when Gobert and Favors are both playing. I'd like to see Mitchell, Hood/Burks, Jingles, Favors and Gobert as a starting lineup when Gobert comes back. At this point Rubio seems like the guy that should lose minutes when Gobert comes back and i don't ever want to see Rubio, Favors and Gobert on the floor together. I also think either Gobert or Favors should be on the floor at all times. I like Udoh and all but he's not as good as the other 2.
 
Here's a question. Why not start Mitchell with Burks? Move Rubio to the second unit with Hood, and let them feast on other team's D-League call-ups.

If the second unit is Udoh-Jerebko-Thabo-Hood-Rubio, there shouldn't be as many problems scoring as we've had earlier this season with our bench. And if you look at our direct rivals, this lineup looks like a dream. Take a look at the benches in the Wolves-Thunder game tonight: http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400975075

Gorgui Dieng, a 50-year old Jamal Crawford, and 3 minutes of Shabazz. Aaron Brooks collecting DNP-CDs like there's no tomorrow. Collison and Felton are 70 between them, and Jerami Grant is the only serious help they have off the bench.
 
framer said:
I guess, ultimately, if Favors would say, and we were forced to choose between Rubio and Favors, I would choose Favors and wouldn't even blink. That is assuming Favors would stay of course.
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I don't disagree, but what do you do with Rubio? The market seems pretty depressed, at least given his salary.
 
Greasy84 said:
Why couldn't something like this work?
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Because two of the three scenarios involves Rubio..

The real question to ask is which teams have a need a center and would be able to pay him 20m+ ?

Perhaps Dallas or Phoenix ? All they would have to do is wait til free agency arrives.
 
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framer said:
I guess, ultimately, if Favors would say, and we were forced to choose between Rubio and Favors, I would choose Favors and wouldn't even blink. That is assuming Favors would stay of course.
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as a Rubio fan, I agree.
 
JimLes said:
Here's a question. Why not start Mitchell with Burks? Move Rubio to the second unit with Hood, and let them feast on other team's D-League call-ups.

If the second unit is Udoh-Jerebko-Thabo-Hood-Rubio, there shouldn't be as many problems scoring as we've had earlier this season with our bench. And if you look at our direct rivals, this lineup looks like a dream. Take a look at the benches in the Wolves-Thunder game tonight: http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400975075

Gorgui Dieng, a 50-year old Jamal Crawford, and 3 minutes of Shabazz. Aaron Brooks collecting DNP-CDs like there's no tomorrow. Collison and Felton are 70 between them, and Jerami Grant is the only serious help they have off the bench.
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I was logging on to say something similar. Would rep
 
NUMBERICA said:
I don't disagree, but what do you do with Rubio? The market seems pretty depressed, at least given his salary.
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Whatever escape pod we had prepared for Burks gets used for Rubio. Also, nothing says that we have to start him. Rubio would work fine off the bench at least until we have to bring back Exum. . .
 
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