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Is Favors in the long-term plans at this point?

David Stern said:
Props to D-Faves for absolutely balling out since Gobert went down, he's helped immensely. I know the board majority felt that he needed to be traded before Rudy's injury, I'm wondering with his play of late if that opinion has changed? How would Favors react to being brought off the bench as the focal point of the offense with Hood? I'm personally of the opinion that staggering Hood/Favors and Mitchell/Rudy with the four of them closing games is the best thing for this team.
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The 4 can only close games if Rubio is also on the bench. Favors, Gobert and Rubio are a very poor combo on the floor together.
 
David Stern said:
Props to D-Faves for absolutely balling out since Gobert went down, he's helped immensely. I know the board majority felt that he needed to be traded before Rudy's injury, I'm wondering with his play of late if that opinion has changed? How would Favors react to being brought off the bench as the focal point of the offense with Hood? I'm personally of the opinion that staggering Hood/Favors and Mitchell/Rudy with the four of them closing games is the best thing for this team.
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The 4 can only close games if Rubio is also on the bench. Favors, Gobert and Rubio are a very poor combo on the floor together.
Thee jazz fan said:
The only problem with this is Gobert is the one doing the rolling when in, which marginalizes Favors Role in the offense.
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That needs to change. Favors is a superior offensive player and Gobert is easily eliminated on those rolls to the basket. Teams have figured that play out.
 
gregbroncs said:
The 4 can only close games if Rubio is also on the bench. Favors, Gobert and Rubio are a very poor combo on the floor together.

That needs to change. Favors is a superior offensive player and Gobert is easily eliminated on those rolls to the basket. Teams have figured that play out.
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Nobody is rolling to the basket with that spacing. That's the whole, entire, ****ing god damn problem.
 
stitches said:
IMO it will help a little but it ultimately won't work. I've laid it out here before, I don't want to repeat myself. The main problem of the Rubio-Favors-Gobert combinations is not the lack of stretch 4. It's the presence of both of Rubio and Gobert. The stretch 4 will alleviate a bit of the pressure on the back end, but Rubio still cannot beat the pnr when paired with Gobert because the bigs will continue to drop off to stop Gobert's roll and won't help with Rubio because the guard will always go under and this won't create the situation for the big to help.
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I agree. Between Rubio's inability to shoot and Gobert's inability to punish teams that switch small guys on him that creates an easy to guard PNR in the paint with those 2. With Favors in on offense if they switch a small guy onto him he is punishing them for it, Gobert is incapable of doing this.

My only reservations with Favors is that he is a FA after this year. I wish the Jazz had extended him when they could. Right now I'm not sure Gobert is a better C for this team than Favors is. The offense with Favors on the floor is far better than it was with Gobert. If you replace Rubio with a shooter at PG then you might be able to get by with Favors and Gobert on the floor occasionally. Like one on the floor at all times and limited minutes together. But that only works if your PG is a bigger offensive threat than Neto/ Rubio. Maybe if it's Mitchell, Hood and Ingles during those stretches it could work.
 
Ron Mexico said:
He put up 16 and 8 at PF when healthy next to Gobert pretty consistently. Even when we had Exum at PG his rookie year when he couldn't shoot threes he was putting up those numbers with Gobert at C.

Our offense is getting the same shots it got when Gobert was healthy. We are just hitting them now and our team is figuring things out. That is not because of Gobert being out, it is in spite of it. Maybe they will struggle again when Gobert comes back but I think they can figure it out. The biggest question with Favors is if he wants to stay and how much money it will cost.
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I disagree that the shots are the same. They may be coming from the same place on the floor, but the floor is spaced better and teams are not as easily clogging the paint. So they hedge a little farther from the shooter to help with the paint. Which is opening up the shooter to have more room to get good looks on the perimeter without feeling rushed or defended.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
I don't want the jazz to turn Mitchell into a pg. he's way more valuable as an attacking 2, besides he's not of a comb jack of all trades do everything kind of player. I don't want to limit his potential. Let him play stretches as pg but not full time.


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On offense with that lineup he'd be the 2, let Ingles handle the ball. Then on defense he guards the PG, he can handle that.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
If Favors is cool with being a 25 mpg player. I think the Jazz can be really good if he starts, but just plays like the first 5 minutes of the 1st and 3rd then plays all the backup center minutes, and probably doesnt finish the 2nd/4th.
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Or he and Gobert switch finishing depending on who is needed more. Need offense play Favors, need defense well obviously Rudy is your guy. Need both, who having the better game/matchup.
 
gregbroncs said:
Or he and Gobert switch finishing depending on who is needed more. Need offense play Favors, need defense well obviously Rudy is your guy. Need both, who having the better game/matchup.
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No, Gobert is better at both things. Favors is just better at certain things offensively, but overall offensive impact Gobert is still superior. Rubio just has to learn you can throw bounce passes at his knees.
 
I really like favors. But this team sucks with Rubio, favors and gobert. Rubio probably just doesn't fit this team, so maybe we should trade him, but if I were Derrick, I'd be going to the Mavs or Atlanta or some other team that needed a center.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
No, Gobert is better at both things. Favors is just better at certain things offensively, but overall offensive impact Gobert is still superior. Rubio just has to learn you can throw bounce passes at his knees.
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Gobert is not better on offense than Favors. He is good at lobs, and rebounds. That's about it. Has no offensive moves, can't beat anybody one on one. Can't post up. I don't really think it's close, Favors is the better offensive player.
 
gregbroncs said:
The 4 can only close games if Rubio is also on the bench. Favors, Gobert and Rubio are a very poor combo on the floor together.

That needs to change. Favors is a superior offensive player and Gobert is easily eliminated on those rolls to the basket. Teams have figured that play out.
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Wasn't Rudy pretty much the best roll player in the league last year ??
 
gregbroncs said:
He is good at lobs, and rebounds. That's about it. Has no offensive moves, can't beat anybody one on one. Can't post up. I don't really think it's close, Favors is the better offensive player.
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Wut??? Rudy is a great offensive player. Why would you want him to post up or create one-on-one? Those are low percentage plays. Let him roll and dunk. He is a great finisher with either hand (not only lobs), so good that he gets other teammates open in the corners. He's also an underrated passer. His ft% has also improved dramatically.

Favors is better at catching the ball in traffic (and while rolling) and has a soft touch around the rim but he doesn't make the whole defense collapse like Gobert does
 
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gregbroncs said:
Gobert is easily eliminated on those rolls to the basket. Teams have figured that play out.
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Because teams were leaving Rubio and Favors open to eliminate the roll. A Gobert roll is deadly when surrounded with adequate shooters. It takes Rudy one step to go around his man or to get all the way to the rim. He is also an elite screener.
 
latin jazz said:
Wut??? Rudy is a great offensive player. Why would you want him to post up or create one-on-one? Those are low percentage plays. Let him roll and dunk. He is a great finisher with either hand (not only lobs), so good that he gets other teammates open in the corners. He's also an underrated passer. His ft% has also improved dramatically.
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Also an elite screener. He does a lot of the less glamorous things that make the offense run well.
 
gregbroncs said:
Gobert is not better on offense than Favors. He is good at lobs, and rebounds. That's about it. Has no offensive moves, can't beat anybody one on one. Can't post up. I don't really think it's close, Favors is the better offensive player.
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Dude, Rudy was literally one of the top two players in offensive efficiency last year. Just because he isn't big Al with post moves doesn't mean he isn't a good offensive player.

Maybe study a little bit about offensive gravity in basketball and why it matters.
 
gregbroncs said:
Gobert is not better on offense than Favors. He is good at lobs, and rebounds. That's about it. Has no offensive moves, can't beat anybody one on one. Can't post up. I don't really think it's close, Favors is the better offensive player.
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Cool, moves.

Gobert is super tall and can dunk. He does that really well and is one of the most efficient offensive players.
 
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