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Is Favors in the long-term plans at this point?

Rubio has value to us, guys. If he's a bench piece, then he's a good bench piece.

This is honestly looking pretty good to me:
Mitchell/Rubio/Neto
Burks/Hood
Ingles/Sefolosha
Favors/Johnson/Jerebko
Gobert/Favors/Udoh

Two notes, though:
*A rookie wall is going to happen at some point
*Is this Burks real?
 
Yeah, I think you bench Rubio for Mitchell when Rudy's back, then do the best job possible staggering them.

I would love for the Gobert/Favors thing to work. Still not confident it does/Favors would want to stay.
 
If Burks keeps it up, he has to be getting 25+ minutes it seems which I think will directly cut into Rubio, by shifting Donovan to more PG minutes and Burks to his SG minutes.

Rubio Burks and Favors as the main bench unit with shooters (JJ, Jerebko, Ingles) sprinkled in would be a solid bench.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Yeah, I think you bench Rubio for Mitchell when Rudy's back, then do the best job possible staggering them.

I would love for the Gobert/Favors thing to work. Still not confident it does/Favors would want to stay.
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A few months ago I wrote about how we should all shift our expectations on Favors. Realistically, he stopped being a valuable trade chip when he went down in the middle of last season. Unless someone blows us away with an offer for a mid-first-round draft pick + without any filler that will hamper us financially going forward (very unlikely), then Favors' greatest value to us is to play out his contract at the highest level and then simply expire. This off-season, we may be able to sign-and-trade him in the current cap environment, or we may find ways that he works as a long-term piece going forward. I think DL and Q are determined to plow ahead at full force.
 
NAOS said:
Rubio has value to us, guys. If he's a bench piece, then he's a good bench piece.

This is honestly looking pretty good to me:
Mitchell/Rubio/Neto
Burks/Hood
Ingles/Sefolosha
Favors/Johnson/Jerebko
Gobert/Favors/Udoh

Two notes, though:
*A rookie wall is going to happen at some point
*Is this Burks real?
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Honestly I'm not sure than Jerebko should lose minutes to Johnson. Johnson for all his talents is a ball stopper on a team that seems to thrive on movement.
 
NAOS said:
Joe goes iso when he has a mismatch and iso is effective. And with Q's blessing. He's also effective at moving the ball.
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True but I also like the way Jerebko has been playing. I'd almost hate to see him go back to the deep bench. I think I like his fit on this team, But Joe's clutch play down the stretch of games is something that nobody else on this team has yet proven.
 
is JJ's value redundant now ? He was brought in to be the iceman for a team hell bent on winning as much as we could, now that it's more in development mode should we move him to a team that needs that for the playoffs this year ?
 
I think Udoh is the one whose minutes should get chopped. If both Gobert and Favors are healthy, they should basically be the only ones playing C. Then you sit Joe on one night of a back-to-back. That's still plenty of minutes for Jerebko.
 
DownUnder said:
is JJ's value redundant now ? He was brought in to be the iceman for a team hell bent on winning as much as we could, now that it's more in development mode should we move him to a team that needs that for the playoffs this year ?
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You mean. . . like the Jazz?

7th seed in the West, with a blossoming star on their hands, a resurgence from two formerly injured - formerly overlooked players, the deepest roster in the league and two of their key players coming back from injuries soon?

I think JJ is a perfect fit for that team if he’s healthy. Sure worked against the Clippers last year. . .
 
Just for the record - that's Jokic, DeAndre and Cousins Favors dominated for huge stretches in the last week or so... I'm still waiting to hear why exactly he shouldn't have value similar to any of them and especially the last two since they are all expiring and he's younger than both of them.

16.5pts/9.3rbs/2.5ast/1.5blk/0.8stl in 30mpg while shooting 61% from the field and 77% from the FT line and playing great defense for the team since Gobert went down.

The Jazz are likely to lose Favors either in the summer or due to a trade and whoever gets him will be a pretty happy team IMO.
 
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Derrick's averaging 16.8 points, 8.8 rebounds, 2.1 assists and 1.8 blocks per game since Rudy was injured. That about what he's put up fully healthy and starting in the past. I think this is his ceiling stat wise.

How much will it cost to extend him?
 
I have to take back everything I said about trading Favors.
Three things have become very apparent - at least to me - in the past several games.
1. Mitchell can be a helluva PG. When he's not playing with Rubio, he's out there making plays, pointing his teammates to where they should go. As a PG, I also think he gives us a greater advantage because Utah then can bring in Burks (or Hood when healthy) and have 4 shooters.
2. Rubio isn't the answer. His shot is just awful. And his defense, IMO, is overrated. He gets beaten a lot. He's just too much of a liability offensively. Sure, one game he may shoot 45%. But then the next he misses most of his shots. The Pelicans came back late because they just allowed Rubio to shoot and miss at will.
3. Favors and Mitchell have a great relationship. I know both would see a trade as just part of the "business," but I think Favors leaving on his own accord (if he gets a great offer) would be far better and wouldn't cause Mitchell to lessen his opinion of the FO.

The problem, IMO, is not Favors/Gobert. While less than ideal, it's a great defensive pairing and perhaps more than offsets the decrease in offense. The problem, I believe, is introducing Rubio into that mix. Once Gobert returns, the solution, IMO is:
A. Those three should NEVER play together.
B. Either continue to start Rubio and bring Favs off the bench.
C. Or make Mitchell the starting PG. Burks or Hood start at SG. Rubio comes off the bench when Favs or Gobert go out.
D. For example, Favors and Hood could play until the 6 min mark. They go out and Rubio comes in, with Mitchell then sliding to the 2. Jerebko comes in at PF. Then, at the quarter break, Gobert rests and Favs comes in at the backup 5.

IMO, Rubio trending down (or at least flat as in still struggling), while Burks and Jerebko are trending up. Cut Rubio's minutes to ~20/per and keep Alec's minutes up, even when Hood returns. I'd also sacrifice some of the minutes Thabo plays in order to continue to get Jerebko playing time when Gobert returns.
 
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BabyPeterzz said:
Derrick's averaging 16.8 points, 8.8 rebounds, 2.1 assists and 1.8 blocks per game since Rudy was injured. That about what he's put up fully healthy and starting in the past. I think this is his ceiling stat wise.

How much will it cost to extend him?
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IIRC, you can't extend a player mid-season? I'll have to look that up.

To answer the question, it's really hard to say, especially since there are still so many kinks to work out with the roster and offense.

What I do know is that if Favors is finally settling in on being healthy (S/O to the seemingly-improving medical staff) and we're seeing who he is, the Jazz need to figure out how to make him shine, make him feel valued, and try to keep him (at a salary that doesn't cripple).

The starting point is that Favors is starting and that Rubio isn't allowed to share the floor with both Favors and Gobert. And it goes without saying that Gobert starts, so Rubio comes off the bench and gets what minutes he can with only one of them on the floor, and there's at least one of them on the floor at all times. Closing games, you go with the flow and see what's working. Sometimes that will be both, sometimes one or the other. But you generally try to not have them share the court.

Mitchell/Rubio
Hood or Burks/Burks, Hood, or Mitchell
Ingles/Sefolosha/Hood/
Favors/JJ1/JJ2/Ingles
Gobert/Favors/Udoh

In this scenario:
-SPACING. Spacing, spacing, spacing.
-Rubio would have more room to operate, would have less pressure, face less scouting, and operate on a milder incline in acclimating to the offense and personnel, thereby rehabilitating his play and his value and ultimately either finding his way on this roster or off of it.
-Mitchell gets the reigns and plays what I believe is his best role and the role the Jazz most desperately need someone to fill moving forward. I am not one of those that is concerned with Mitchell's size on the wing as he is incredibly long, built, and gritty. However, as a PG, he's a beast, and it increases the Jazz's switchability (which when Favors plays as the 5, I think the Jazz could seriously explore the switching of everything).
-Opens up some opportunity for Burks and Hood if their recent play starts to sustain (and are both healthy, naturally).
-This isn't a point of emphasis for me and is rather tangential, but I would really like to see Ingles play some more 4 with Gobert. I think that would be crazy lit.
 
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Saint Cy of JFC said:
I'd take DJ, salaries being equal.

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I kinda don't get it. He doesn't impress me. Hardly better (if at all) than Gobert offensively except his FT shooting will lose a lot of games, and his defense isn't elite. Young enough to play for some years, but old enough that you know he's not getting better.
 
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