It's Time For a True Direction

[Handlogten's Heros]

There 2 main changes: the odds for getting the top picks have been lowered for the worst teams and the lottery balls have been spread out among the other teams in the lottery. Here are the new odds vs the old odds:

Second change is - before there was a lottery just for the top 3 picks... now the lottery is expanded for the first 4 picks.

Thanks.

This was really not an answer to tanking... looking at this from our perspective I'd be more likely to want to lose in our situation... real difference between 12-14 and 10 and under. Wish these were the odds this year.

 

[MDAV28]

The type of deals I'd try to do... the idea behind these is help cap strapped teams now and get assets... we participate in 2019 FA because all our contracts outside of Rudy, Ingles, and DM would be off the books...

1- Joe Jesus to Denver for Faried and a protected #1... they in win now mode and need to clear salary next year or they are in trouble. They have 1000 PFs and Faried seems like the guy they want to be rid of. I would do a similar deal for Arthur or whoever they have that has two years and they want to be rid of.

2- Favs to Milwaukee for Teletovic and DJ Wilson. Jazz were rumored to like Wilson... Milwaukee can clear some space and address a position of need. They likely move salary to keep Jabari.

3- Hood and Neto or Royce to NO for Ajinca and their #1 pick.

4- Thabo and maybe Udoh to Cleveland for Frye and their #1 pick in 2018.

Not saying all or any of these deals, but deals like these... not obvious tanking... building the asset base and working towards 2019 cap space because that is when it is most likely we'd have some and would know better what we need.

We could still trade for a Kevin Love type if they became available because we'd have expiring contracts and firsts to make deals work... we could still use the MLE if a FA was underpriced and we wanted to sign them.

We'd still have the flexibility we crave and we'd be picking up assets that can help us along the way.

I think we have to think a little bigger than deals like this. Acquiring late first round picks I don't think should be the goal. Cap space is such a premium asset that I think the Jazz should use this time to their advantage. Such as acquiring and Ingram/Kuzma for Deng or trading Hood's rights for more than we normally would in a regular cap environment.

#4 makes sense for us, I have always thought Thabo and Udoh fit perfectly with Cleveland but I don't think Cleveland can trade any future assets with the uncertainty of LeBron's decision.

 

[jjscap]

Man, I watched the highlights of last night's (13 NOV) games.. The level of competition and overall talent is C R A Z Y.. I don't think we've witnessed a season like this before.. teams are deep, there's an abundance of stars, and even there are young stars, that are, I'd not say up and coming but in fact killing it already.

Where does our team fit in this picture?

Short term, it's a gloomy 19th century Russian painting. Long term I have no idea; you know, a lotta ins, lotta outs, lotta what-have-you's. Gobert&Mitchell duo could be interesting going forward, both can be 'elite' in their positions. Assuming Mitchell will turn into a star, we'll need a third guy to be able to compete. On our roster only Exum has the potential to be that guy. But I doubt he'll ever be. So we need to acquire talent, preferably less than 25 years old..

We need to initiate a mini rebuilding. Get a top-10 pick with our own. Trade away some assets for draft picks. We're a deep team, some of our guys can help playoff teams and contenders. Unfortunately we're in a tricky spot again, we couldn't trade away the players we most wanted to for obvious reasons.

Another option would be blowing it up completely. I can understand the reasons behind such a choice, perhaps it's not that bad of an idea.
However I think Gobert's performance so far this season is misleading. He excels playing alongside a stretch-4. Besides who else is playing with two non-shooting bigs anyway? It's outdated ffs.

I suspect there are also off-the-floor issues with the team. There is no real media coverage in Utah so we'd never know.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think we have to think a little bigger than deals like this. Acquiring late first round picks I don't think should be the goal. Cap space is such a premium asset that I think the Jazz should use this time to their advantage. Such as acquiring and Ingram/Kuzma for Deng or trading Hood's rights for more than we normally would in a regular cap environment.

#4 makes sense for us, I have always thought Thabo and Udoh fit perfectly with Cleveland but I don't think Cleveland can trade any future assets with the uncertainty of LeBron's decision.

I don't think the Lakers are that desperate yet though and I would like to be a player in 2019 FA if possible so trying to line up expiring next year.

I think salary dumps will be more in demand but I don't think it will be super crazy. I think there will be more bargains though like the SF who signed in Orlando... name escapes me right now.

 

[hgb]

Yes you can, [MENTION=2900]Handlogten's Heros[/MENTION] is correct. See the post just prior to this one.

Hm, whaddayaknow.. I stand corrected.

 

[LoPo]

I don't think the Lakers are that desperate yet though and I would like to be a player in 2019 FA if possible so trying to line up expiring next year.

I think salary dumps will be more in demand but I don't think it will be super crazy. I think there will be more bargains though like the SF who signed in Orlando... name escapes me right now.

Simmons?

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[MDAV28]

I don't think the Lakers are that desperate yet though and I would like to be a player in 2019 FA if possible so trying to line up expiring next year.

I think salary dumps will be more in demand but I don't think it will be super crazy. I think there will be more bargains though like the SF who signed in Orlando... name escapes me right now.

What 2019 player? I think the Jazz need to do what they can to acquire star talent. Sure a starter / valuable role player signed to a decent contract in 2019 has value, but I just would like to think bigger. The reality of the situation is the Jazz have to acquire stars via draft or trade.

 

[elan_prodigy]

What 2019 player? I think the Jazz need to do what they can to acquire star talent. Sure a starter / valuable role player signed to a decent contract in 2019 has value, but I just would like to think bigger. The reality of the situation is the Jazz have to acquire stars via draft or trade.

And soon. We have a clock with Rudy. Assuming he stays we have 6 maybe 7 peak years.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Simmons?

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Yes... that type of stuff will be more frequent I think.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

What 2019 player? I think the Jazz need to do what they can to acquire star talent. Sure a starter / valuable role player signed to a decent contract in 2019 has value, but I just would like to think bigger. The reality of the situation is the Jazz have to acquire stars via draft or trade.

I get that, but unless you are one of the best 4 or 5 markets you won't get a star in FA. Free agency is best used to find the role players... stars will only come through the draft for us... maybe through trade.

I just don't see a star becoming available... I know people think we should throw money at Jabari... that is fine, but it is likely a contract gets matched and that there is a team more willing to throw a crazy offer out there.

We need to get more chances to find the star through the draft and find inefficiencies to take advantage of in FA and in trades.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

And soon. We have a clock with Rudy. Assuming he stays we have 6 maybe 7 peak years.

Golden State's run likely goes another 2-4 years... we have time. I don't think Rudy is the same as Hayward... he has bought into the team more than Gordon ever did.

 

[Miggs]

People need to pump the breaks on Mitchell being a star. He's a 2 who hasn't shown he can shoot efficiently or attack the rim. I can't think of one star wing who couldn't do either.

 

[elan_prodigy]

People need to pump the breaks on Mitchell being a star. He's a 2 who hasn't shown he can shoot efficiently or attack the rim. I can't think of one star wing who couldn't do either.

A little of this but that shot looks amazing!

 

[MDAV28]

I get that, but unless you are one of the best 4 or 5 markets you won't get a star in FA. Free agency is best used to find the role players... stars will only come through the draft for us... maybe through trade.

I just don't see a star becoming available... I know people think we should throw money at Jabari... that is fine, but it is likely a contract gets matched and that there is a team more willing to throw a crazy offer out there.

We need to get more chances to find the star through the draft and find inefficiencies to take advantage of in FA and in trades.

Yes this is precisely what I'm saying. Use salary cap to take dumps of young potential players or good assets instead of signing role players. Focus on the core and then fill out.

To me, the direction is pretty clear cut if Hood and Favors don't improve on this team, and improve quickly. You hit the rebuild button: tank this season, try to move them for assets, use cap space to pick up more assets and build a core of Gobert, Mitchell, Exum (yes, he is still relevant, especially with how Ricky has been lately), presumably high first round pick, and other assets obtained from taking on salary or trading Hood.

If Hood and Favors start playing how we have seen flashes of, then the decision gets a little more complicated.

 

[elan_prodigy]

Golden State's run likely goes another 2-4 years... we have time. I don't think Rudy is the same as Hayward... he has bought into the team more than Gordon ever did.

GS reign will depend on where Lebron ends up next year. I called Philly early and the more I see of them the more I think it would be a perfect match.

Simmons
Reddick/Fultz
Covington
Lebron/Saric
Embiid

GS cant stop that and Benz, Lebron and Embiid would have them in foul trouble so quick!

Who knows, if this eventuates we may be able to have a crack at Saric... Hood for Saric, because Hood would be a dynamo.in that lineup, being the 4th/5th option and knocking down open looks without having to create his shot.

 

[LoPo]

Yes this is precisely what I'm saying. Use salary cap to take dumps of young potential players or good assets instead of signing role players. Focus on the core and then fill out.

To me, the direction is pretty clear cut if Hood and Favors don't improve on this team, and improve quickly. You hit the rebuild button: tank this season, try to move them for assets, use cap space to pick up more assets and build a core of Gobert, Mitchell, Exum (yes, he is still relevant, especially with how Ricky has been lately), presumably high first round pick, and other assets obtained from taking on salary or trading Hood.

If Hood and Favors start playing how we have seen flashes of, then the decision gets a little more complicated.

Yes. Use the cap to take chances. We are the only team in the NBA with 2 expendable expiring contracts over $10 million. Use those to pick up a prospect by taking a bad contract.

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[elan_prodigy]

Yes this is precisely what I'm saying. Use salary cap to take dumps of young potential players or good assets instead of signing role players. Focus on the core and then fill out.

To me, the direction is pretty clear cut if Hood and Favors don't improve on this team, and improve quickly. You hit the rebuild button: tank this season, try to move them for assets, use cap space to pick up more assets and build a core of Gobert, Mitchell, Exum (yes, he is still relevant, especially with how Ricky has been lately), presumably high first round pick, and other assets obtained from taking on salary or trading Hood.

If Hood and Favors start playing how we have seen flashes of, then the decision gets a little more complicated.

Favors is gone but people need to chill on the trading Hood talk. His poor form is a great opportunity to get him at a discount. He can be a great scorer in this league.

 

[MDAV28]

Favors is gone but people need to chill on the trading Hood talk. His poor form is a great opportunity to get him at a discount. He can be a great scorer in this league.

The problem is there's teams that may think this way. It's about anticipating the cost. I'm 100% of the mindset that we need to retain players w/ value but if you're essentially resetting (dropping this year, taking Deng's contract). Do you want a struggling Hood at $16-$20 million a year?

 

[elan_prodigy]

The problem is there's teams that may think this way. It's about anticipating the cost. I'm 100% of the mindset that we need to retain players w/ value but if you're essentially resetting (dropping this year, taking Deng's contract). Do you want a struggling Hood at $16-$20 million a year?

No. But id have Hood at $14Mil/yr all day.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

People need to pump the breaks on Mitchell being a star. He's a 2 who hasn't shown he can shoot efficiently or attack the rim. I can't think of one star wing who couldn't do either.

Do you watch the games?

We have every reason to be excited. He may not be a Dwayne wade star but dude is a building block.