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Jazz are shopping Jefferson and Millsap according to ESPN

NUMBERICA said:
He's a little prickly of a personality. His swagger could make him great, but if it doesn't, it would make him terrible and unbearable as a person. If his current skill set remains largely the same (needs to handle the ball, not a good shooter on or off the ball, doesn't defend), that means unless he's really good, he's really bad.

That said, if he expands his game significantly, most of that changes. What isn't likely to change is how he handles himself and that if he keeps that, frankly, cocky attitude and isn't good then it could be a nightmare.
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Cocky attitude? In all the interviews I have heard he seems pretty down to earth. He does have that "Too cool for school" relaxed personality, but he seems pretty humble to me.
 
What do we know about Burks right now? Certainly not enough for everybody to be lying on the bed waiting for their turn....

Look, I like the pick, but his inconsistent shot ALONE is enough for many people on this board to call for his head, not to mention his inconsistent defense, small frame, etc.

Good pick, but I wish everybody would cool it a little bit. I don't expect much from him this year except a commitment to work on what everybody knows he needs to work on.
 
NAOS said:
What do we know about Burks right now? Certainly not enough for everybody to be lying on the bed waiting for their turn....

Look, I like the pick, but his inconsistent shot ALONE is enough for many people on this board to call for his head, not to mention his inconsistent defense, small frame, etc.

Good pick, but I wish everybody would cool it a little bit. I don't expect much from him this year except a commitment to work on what everybody knows he needs to work on.
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Blasphemy! How dare you talk about MJ Jr. like that.
 
NAOS said:
What do we know about Burks right now? Certainly not enough for everybody to be lying on the bed waiting for their turn....

Look, I like the pick, but his inconsistent shot ALONE is enough for many people on this board to call for his head, not to mention his inconsistent defense, small frame, etc.

Good pick, but I wish everybody would cool it a little bit. I don't expect much from him this year except a commitment to work on what everybody knows he needs to work on.
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Small frame? The guy is 6'6 with a long wingspan. Yeah he is a little skinny, but I would not say he has a small frame.
 
On a serious note, I agree that some people need to lower their expectations involving Burks. We don't need Troutbum making CJ Miles type threads about the kid. Or stalking his social networking accounts.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Cocky attitude? In all the interviews I have heard he seems pretty down to earth. He does have that "Too cool for school" relaxed personality, but he seems pretty humble to me.
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To be certain, I worded the initial post imperfectly.

Look, I don't think he's AI. But I just don't like how he carries himself. I wish I had more to say. If he's great, then great. If he's not, he's REALLY not, though and I think I won't be the only person that carries the rather silly issue I do with him right now.

When I break down what he's done and how he carries himself, I find myself talking myself into why I like him. There is a lot to like, but the package is not ONLY things to like considering that he hasn't actually done anything yet.

I like(d) the pick. I said at the time and say now that I'll make an actual judgment when we have material to judge. My early assessment right now remains the same as I had at the outset; he's a boom or bust player (so to speak). 0 role player potential, for better or for worse.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Why draw it out? Right now - and assuming Millsap remains a PF almost exclusively - the Jazz have 5 bigs (and two #3 picks in consecutive years) to split 96 minutes. If they bury or amnesty Memo, that's still only 24 mpg per player.

Something has to happen. Maybe it's Millsap playing 3 full-time. Maybe it's trading Al. Maybe it's both and getting a true C in the process. The Jazz would be foolish to do anything but see what they can get.

And I believe this report. Between now and the 9th, teams are going to be going to get a jump on free agency by making verbal deals so that free agency will be LESS truncated and they can make deals right out of the gate.
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I assume you're referring to Favors, Kanter, Okur, Millsap and Jefferson. They do not all need to play 24 mpg (I'm looking at you Mehmet and Enes) and Millsap can play some of his minutes at the 3. I'm thinking Big Al and Favors at 31 mpg, Millsap at 16 mpg (and 15 more at the 3), Enes at 13 mpg and Okur at 5 mpg. Keep in mind too that at some point, someone (or more) will go down with injury and that the other four guy's time (and thereby average time per game) will go up. In addition, to me, Okur does not need to play at all. Loyalty is VASTLY overrated and we owe him nothing. If anything, he owes it to the organization to be professional and sit on the bench while collecting his hefty paycheck until he has proven that he deserves said time. In short, there's no way he'll prove he deserves more time than anyone else on this list other than perhaps Enes. But I think Enes would physically dominate him in practice and push him to fifth on the list, perhaps to the point that Memo's even collecting DNP's on certain nights.
 
I think that they should do one or the other. If we end up trading both, then we risk having too young of a team if that is possible. It would be good to keep some vet's in here just so our young guys can get some good mentoring.
 
TheGreatBambino86 said:
I think that they should do one or the other. If we end up trading both, then we risk having too young of a team if that is possible. It would be good to keep some vet's in here just so our young guys can get some good mentoring.
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Depends on what they get for them both. Marc Gasol (or the like) and a solid vet PG, then maybe it's worth it. The failure would be trading one of them just to make the trade and not get equal value in return.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Depends on what they get for them both. Marc Gasol (or the like) and a solid vet PG, then maybe it's worth it. The failure would be trading one of them just to make the trade and not get equal value in return.
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Exactly. And personally, I don't think they'll trade both. They're gauging their respective return-value vs. how they would fit - respectively - in with the team.

I don't think the Jazz need to rush into making a decision. But I don't believe that being patient for the sake of patience is a good idea either.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Exactly. And personally, I don't think they'll trade both. They're gauging their respective return-value vs. how they would fit - respectively - in with the team.

I don't think the Jazz need to rush into making a decision. But I don't believe that being patient for the sake of patience is a good idea either.
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Agreed. Unfortunately all too often in the past, the comment in bold has been the Jazz front office M.O.
 
trigg3r said:
On a serious note, I agree that some people need to lower their expectations involving Burks. We don't need Troutbum making CJ Miles type threads about the kid. Or stalking his social networking accounts.
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I'm sure they just assume it's some 15 year old and think nothing of it.
 
SalmonHobo said:
I assume you're referring to Favors, Kanter, Okur, Millsap and Jefferson. They do not all need to play 24 mpg (I'm looking at you Mehmet and Enes) and Millsap can play some of his minutes at the 3. I'm thinking Big Al and Favors at 31 mpg, Millsap at 16 mpg (and 15 more at the 3), Enes at 13 mpg and Okur at 5 mpg. Keep in mind too that at some point, someone (or more) will go down with injury and that the other four guy's time (and thereby average time per game) will go up. In addition, to me, Okur does not need to play at all. Loyalty is VASTLY overrated and we owe him nothing. If anything, he owes it to the organization to be professional and sit on the bench while collecting his hefty paycheck until he has proven that he deserves said time. In short, there's no way he'll prove he deserves more time than anyone else on this list other than perhaps Enes. But I think Enes would physically dominate him in practice and push him to fifth on the list, perhaps to the point that Memo's even collecting DNP's on certain nights.
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Okur has played pretty well in Turkey. Looks like he is pretty much recovered from the injury. Give him a chance. The Money Man is not done yet.
 
When people talk about the draft they alway say draft bpa reguardless of who's on the team already. I think the same thought process should go into this "trade a big" thing. We have 2 good to great bigs and 3 question marks. Why rush into anything. Let see how they gel before we go shipping somebody off.

And for the record, if they do trade somebody I really hope it's not Millsap. His effort and energy mean more to this team than any stats do. He is the Matt Harpering of today's Jazz.
 
I'm sure this is an either/or scenario being floated, based on Favors being able to start at either PF or C.
We would actually be more flexible lineup-wise trading Jefferson, who IMO isn't quick enough to be effective defensively at PF. Millsap on the surface appears to be more attractive to potential trading partners.
Hey, wherever we can get thebest deal works for me.
 
orangello said:
From my understanding any current contract can be amnestied. There is only one per team, but you can make a trade and then amnesty someone.
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This is huge! Of course KOC would let it be known to others that Al and Millsap are available. (I suspect it doesn't violate the rules as long as he doesn't mention players under contract to other teams.) The amnesty rule pretty much makes all trades possible and it is going to cause a trading frenzy. Teams like the Jazz, who don't have an amnesty-worthy player, are going to throw out bait and see what they can catch. It is no longer important to get back something of equal value: "Sure, we'll take the crapy player off your hands, just throw in your #1 pick for 2013." And the bigger the salary you are trading, the more options are availabe. So imagine what kind of deals are possible if you have nearly $20 million in play and you don't care if half of what you get back is garbage.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Cocky attitude? In all the interviews I have heard he seems pretty down to earth. He does have that "Too cool for school" relaxed personality, but he seems pretty humble to me.
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He has some of the same cool, cocky body language as Monta Ellis....which isn't a bad thing on offense.
 
SalmonHobo said:
... Loyalty is VASTLY overrated and we owe him nothing. If anything, he owes it to the organization to be professional and sit on the bench while collecting his hefty paycheck until he has proven that he deserves said time. In short, there's no way he'll prove he deserves more time than anyone else on this list other than perhaps Enes. But I think Enes would physically dominate him in practice and push him to fifth on the list, perhaps to the point that Memo's even collecting DNP's on certain nights.
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+1
 
So if I'm in the Jazz's front office and I'm content with the new CBA giving me a better share of league-wide BRI and helping me break even on the current (albeit shortened) season, maybe I don't feel as much immediate pressure to win this year. So, I float my big-ticket players that have trade value on the market, and I don't worry so much if we make the playoffs. Some of the financial pressure to put a winning product on the floor has been alleviated at least. Plus, it's going to be tough to pull together the new young players and a new system with no real training camp anyway, and I don't yet foresee being able to beat the top teams in either conference. Best case scenario, we sneak into the playoffs and win a few games. So maybe I sit back a bit, look at potential trades, look at the upcoming draft, etc. and get ready to lay it on the line the following season.

Just thinking out loud. I have to say, I get more into this now that I've seen that movie "Moneyball."
 
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