Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
Is this player max?
42% FG, 39% 3-PT, 6.8 rbds, 3.5 assists. 1.9 steals
42% FG, 39% 3-PT, 6.8 rbds, 3.5 assists. 1.9 steals
Jazz Officially Matched Hayward According to Woj
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GVC
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Memo missed only 22 games through his first 5 seasons with the Jazz, averaging 33 minutes per game. His role was to spread the floor on those strangely built teams, which he did very well.
I didn't like the extension at the time, but it wasn't horrible.
b_line
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They are if they get to the FT line a lot.
b_line
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The team was built that way though. They needed shooting because they had boozer and ak locked up and Williams was not exactly Stephen curry. Also, pre injury memo was an all star.
GVC
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In the 3 seasons leading up to Memo's extension, these were the Jazz's per possession defensive ranks:
06/07: 18th
07/08: 12th
08/09: 10th
Ronnie Brewer and AK played the most minutes (per game) on the wing for the 08/09 team (CJ, at best an average shooter, was 4th after Korver). If you replace Memo with a defensive 5, those teams lose more in offense than they gain in defense.
JLT
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Terrible move. This is going to cost us Kanter or Burks. But Gordon is our guy now, and I would love to be proven wrong and have him play like a max guy consistently. I hope he doesn't get booed and fans realize it's not his fault that he is overpaid. His psyche is fragile enough as it is. This contract makes me love Favors even more.
Just when I start feeling like the Jazz have figured it out, they do something stupid like this. I am not shocked or surprised. Seriously, if the Jazz wanted to keep Hayward then why not give him $14 million. There is no way that this doesn't affect how we sign other players.
What makes it even dumber is if you told every team you would match then why not pay him $14 million. This is like showing your cards in poker and then making a bet with nothing in your hand and thinking you can bluff the other players. This is pure insanity.
Even if Hayward plays a little better he isn't worth the max. He has to dominate and become a mulit-year all-star to be worth that contract. I can see him have one great game and all his supporters will say I told you so. Then they will ignore the other four games where he is mediocre. He shares some of the blame. Dude could have taken the Jazz offer because that is what is closer to his value. Even if Hayward plays well and we end up losing a player or two because of it I will then say I told you so. We are going to have to do this again next year because if I am Kanter or Burks there is no way I take a contract. I test the market.
Game6Conley
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Lol... I was trolling re: Emeka. .. guess it worked.
The Thriller
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That wasn't ever memo's role.
No one thought memo was a rim protector. No one.
If you thought that was his role then you're dumber than you look.
His role was to spread the floor because our SF at the time was defensively minded and offensively challenged. Memo fulfilled his offensive role brilliantly. At one point, he was probably the most offensively versatile center in the league. He could drive, pass, shoot, post up, and wasn't nearly as soft as his critics made him out to be. He sadly was a little undersized and not very athletic. He maximized his potential.. Hayward has not.
Memo was a top offensive player at his position and an all-star and championship player.
Much more than Hayward has accomplished at this point in his career.
See here is the problem, Hayward should have already earned the max. There is nothing he could do but become a 4 time all-star and lead the Jazz to the promise land. Not going to happen.
That's exactly their error. The dynamic of having to keep the worst starting defensive center in the NBA because he could spread the floor for wings that couldn't shoot but could defend was why the Jazz couldn't substantively improve. No matter how perfect the Jazz executed offensively, the other team just had to go zone/go under screens/pack-in-the-paint to visibly alter the Jazz's offense and all they had to do on the other end was drive to the paint. Korver and Matthews were good pieces if that team had someone to protect the rim. I don't know who it would've been, that's dabbling in fantasty. But I'll play: Brendan Haywood? Emeka Okafor? Tyson Chandler? There were some guys out there. There was also that kid from Congo whose name I can't remember that the Jazz passed on so that they could draft who was supposed to be ANOTHER Memo (and isn't).
You don't become the best without taking risks (or rather, risk changing something that works pretty well but no one believes will get the job done). The Jazz refused to. It's really that simple.
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