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Jimmy Butler's Day off - Jazz @ Timberbulls 10/31/2018 6 pm MST

Saint Cy of JFC said:
I guess it depends on the quality, but saltwater taffy is great.
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We agree on something! I get like 5 lbs of the stuff at this place in Santa Cruz when we go each year... it's wonderful. The grocery store stuff that is stale can be gross doe.
 
Candy corn is alright... I just remember old ladies giving us loose candy corn when you are trick or treating... gross.
 
Shad said:
I like how people are calling Rubio garbage when Rose was being guarded by Exum more than Rubio was.
Here's some more facts:
Donovan was absolute trash in the first half.
Rose hasn't scored more than 40 points in 7 years.
We were bound to lose a ROAD game
It's only 6 games in and we arent 1-5 like the Rockets or 2-4 like the Thunder or 3-5 like the Lakers
We had PLENTY of opportunities to win the game. We missed 3 free-throws in the last minute. Our best shot with 20 seconds left was a running fade-away hook shot by Rudy (LOL) and we missed 2 wide open threes with 10 seconds left by Jae and Joe
Stop being bitches
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He isn't garbage... his game last night was doe.

We did not lose singularly because of him or any of the mistakes you mention... but if we split the blame pie up Ricky gets a good portion.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
No, like Dante is capable of doing one thing on offense and that's it. He can't play in the half-court at all.

And he hasnt been better than Rubio all year. Rubio had a 28 point 11 assist game.
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He has played ok in the half court. I have seen him blow by the defense and get into the paint a bunch of times and often he makes a nice pass after getting into the paint.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I guess it depends on the quality, but saltwater taffy is great.
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I hate all candy like that. Gets stuck in my teeth and never breaks down. Just a big glob.
I really only like chocolate based candy. Dont like skittles, starburst, etc.
 
fishonjazz said:
With the emergence of niang i think the jazz would be better off playing favors strictly as a backup center. Crowder, niang, and thabo could and should be the power forward rotation.
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I don't think the Jazz will do it but it would definitely be the best thing for the team. I wish we never would have re-signed Favors. I get that he's a really good insurance policy in case Rudy gets hurt but he just doesn't work at PF at all, it's just a terrible fit.
 
I'm of the opinion if Butler plays we probably win the game. With him out everyone feels they have something to prove and they aren't second guessing every shot wondering how Butler will react. He probably would have gotten his but Towns and Rose don't do nearly as good as they did. It will be interesting to see what happens when we play them again if he's still there.
 
Keeping Favors reeks of a Gail move. Getting him on a one-year (with team option) seems like a Lindsey move.

So ready to move on. Hopefully Favors lands in a good situation far from here.
 
I'm not worried, we took one of the best punches the T-Wolves could throw (everyone playing with a chip from Jimmy Butler sitting, Derek Rose exploding for the team that waived him last year, and them shooting near 50% from 3) and we lost by 3, on the road. Jazz shoot their average on FTs and we win this game.

Such is life. Now if we lay another egg against the Grizzlies tomorrow, at home, I'll be more upset than last night.

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yamers said:
D.rose had an absurd career game to win and KAT was also on fire. Jimmy Butler being out hurts but you won't see rose dropping another 50 anytime soon...it was a fluke game tbh. The jazz lost by 3 points with rubio playing like dookie.
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The duck is actually talking sense for a change
 
Full disclosure, I don't post here much and I became a fan of the Jazz when you guys got Exum and Ingles (Australian obviously). I don't think Exum should be starting over Rubio now, but I am going to make the case that he should be playing more than 18 minutes a game, and he should be given a bit more freedom to try and create in the half court instead of giving it to Mitchell or Ingles and standing in a corner.

The advanced stats support Exum supporters for the most part early on in the season. Looking at general team stats, the Jazz' ORTG when Exum is on the court is 120.4 PPP (!), when he's off the floor it drops to 114.3, good for a +6.1 difference. Rubio on the floor sees the Jazz ORTG at 113.4, and it goes all the way to 121.8 when he's off (!), good for a -8.4. Defensively, the Jazz are at 112.4 when Exum is on the court vs 110.4 when he's off, a -2 difference which leaves Exum's Net RTG at +4.1 when he's on the floor. With Rubio on the floor, the Jazz defense has a 112.5 vs 109.2 when he's off the floor, a -3.3 difference and overall his Net RTG is a -11.7. There's a lot of factors to consider here, such as the entire starting lineup having issues offensively which could hinder Rubio's ORTG for example. The surprising stat to me there was how bad Rubio's DRTG is considering he gets to play a lot of minutes with Gobert while Exum (who I expected to have a negative DRTG too from watching games) is usually playing with more of the bench unit or Favors. So early on in this young season, Exum is clearly helping the team more than Rubio through simple on/off stats.

Other personal stats suggest that Exum is outperforming Rubio pretty substantially too, even if you don't necessarily agree with the effectiveness of a particular stat in general, Exum outperforming Rubio almost across the board should paint the picture. Exum on left, Rubio on right

PER - 14.1 vs 8.9
TS% - 52.7% vs 45.4%
3PAr - 29.1% vs 41.0% (31.3 3pt% vs 32.0 3pt% to qualify that a bit more)
AST% - 16.2% vs 32.9%
TO% - 9.5% vs 24.1%
WS - 0.3 vs 0.1
WS/48 (to account for the minutes difference) - .093 vs .020
BPM - -1.7 vs -3.3
VORP - 0 vs -0.1

Really after looking through all the stats, I'm on board with the idea of Exum not necessarily being the solution to all problems now, but being a much better option than Rubio at this juncture. I don't want to promote Dante's upside as a reason for why he should start over Rubio, because that implies that Rubio has little upside which we know is false from his excellent run post all star break last season, and it's why I think he should still start.

It's clear to me though that Exum should be given the opportunity to have more free reign to learn how to create in a half court setting if Rubio is given the same freedom to refind his form from last season and Mitchell has the freedom to find his form too. Most people here would agree that Exum is probably the X factor for the Jazz' title hopes, as he's shown he can mix it up with the best defensively under the brightest lights, but if his offense can catch up then he becomes a dynamic 2 way player and someone who becomes just as important at Crowder coming off the bench instead of a guy that Snyder wants to play for his defense but couldn't trust to look after the ball at all on offense.
 
fishonjazz said:
I hate all candy like that. Gets stuck in my teeth and never breaks down. Just a big glob.
I really only like chocolate based candy. Dont like skittles, starburst, etc.
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How can you not like starbursts? I've not got much of a sweet tooth when i do go for something sweet its normally some ice cream.
 
Rubashov said:
How can you not like starbursts? I've not got much of a sweet tooth when i do go for something sweet its normally some ice cream.
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Ya ice cream > candy no doubt.
I really like moose tracks flavor. (Well all flavors are good)

Best ice cream treat i have ever had are these twix ice cream bars. They are amazing. They sell them in the break room at work and are very hard to resist.

Get one if they have them anywhere near you. They are life changers
 
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