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Kevin Durant - Racist Remarks on Hayward....surprised...

Broncster said:
I dont even know where to begin with disagreeing with this but not really something I want to discuss in the Jazz section or at all since it is probably useless. Either way this should be moved to the General thread if people want to discuss this.
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Okay, great. Thanks for letting us know.
 
Siro said:
Okay, great. Thanks for letting us know.
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Wish I felt the same after reading your essay in the Jazz section on your views of racism. Maybe ill reread it when it gets moved to the general thread to get gems about how its an indvidual issue and how you have generalized it into a "left" and "right" views on it when it gets moved over.
 
Broncster said:
Wish I felt the same after reading your essay in the Jazz section on your views of racism. Maybe ill reread it when it gets moved to the general thread to get gems about how its an indvidual issue and how you have generalized it into a "left" and "right" views on it when it gets moved over.
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You're gonna keep crying about the thread being in the Jazz section? ROFL. It was where it was when I found it. But no, I will look forward to your insights. Given the history of your contributions, I am sure they will be incredible.
 
Siro said:
You're gonna keep crying about the thread being in the Jazz section? ROFL. It was where it was when I found it. But no, I will look forward to your insights. Given the history of your contributions, I am sure they will be incredible.
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Im not asking you to move it. Since I assume you have no control to do that. Just quoting you as a reason, in addition to many, it should be moved, sorry for the misunderstanding.

Also sorry to get you excited about me contributing a response to your post, truthfully I probably wont. It was a half *** effort to be polite.
 
Broncster said:
Also sorry to get you excited about me contributing a response to your post, truthfully I probably wont. It was a half *** effort to be polite.
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It wasn't a "half-assed effort". It was a quick response to someone I have a debate history with. We already agree on where some things stand, like the prevalence of racism among right-wingers. There was no need to define that term, and several others, because of our debate history. Had I been debating someone else, I would have taken a different approach.

As for getting excited, believe me, I'm not. If it's anything like "half of addictions are in people's heads, and they should man up and get over it" argument, and from what I remember of you this is the best I can hope for, it is not exactly the level of insight anyone would get excited over.
 
Racism......what a sad topic.

1. If you are racist, you are just dumb. There is no possible way to make a decision on who to trust, like, believe in, etc.. based off skin color. I've been wronged by every color and have met good people of every color. To be racist means your severely lack good logical thinking, and it can only lead you to wrong answers, and trouble.

Having said that, let me say something racist. Because of course now a days, you are racist if you are white, no matter what. That's the facts, and that's the truth.

Reverse racism is absolutely true. Whenever any race tries to bring up how they are being discriminated against, they automatically are lumping together all white people, which is inherently racist. I'm not racist, not all white people are racist. In fact most arent. So it's pisses me off when I'm lumped into the crowd of people who are just because of my skin color. It's such a stupid vicious cycle that I can't wrap my mind around.

If constantly offended black people want to put an end to racsim, then they need to speak out against crap like this too. I'm not offended by what Durant said, but I'm offended that it's funny and ok for him to say it, but not for white people, because they are white. As if your skin color has anything to do with anything.

That is why the standard has to be the same. The past is the past. People need to move on. Soon nobody on this planet will have been around when slavery happened. Sooner or later, all the white people that had nothing to do with it need to be let off the hook. Because that's just racist to not do so.
 
tleikheen said:
Im an Alaska Native guy,I hated seeing that crack from a guy using a Alaska name to talk about a black guys smarts ,but sadly he shows what we understand up here...
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I don't understand what you are trying to say here. What are you suggesting?

I didn't make a crack about "a black guy's smarts". My comment was tongue-in-cheek, highlighting the inappropriateness of Durant's comment.

A stereotype is a stereotype, regardless of our perceived offense to it. As someone else mentioned, no one individual gets to decide what is or is not offensive. Throwing stereotypes into a joke only reinforces that stereotype, and can change the way individuals view groups of people.
 
Hack said:
Racism......what a sad topic.

1. If you are racist, you are just dumb. There is no possible way to make a decision on who to trust, like, believe in, etc.. based off skin color. I've been wronged by every color and have met good people of every color. To be racist means your severely lack good logical thinking, and it can only lead you to wrong answers, and trouble.

Having said that, let me say something racist. Because of course now a days, you are racist if you are white, no matter what. That's the facts, and that's the truth.

Reverse racism is absolutely true. Whenever any race tries to bring up how they are being discriminated against, they automatically are lumping together all white people, which is inherently racist. I'm not racist, not all white people are racist. In fact most arent. So it's pisses me off when I'm lumped into the crowd of people who are just because of my skin color. It's such a stupid vicious cycle that I can't wrap my mind around.

If constantly offended black people want to put an end to racsim, then they need to speak out against crap like this too. I'm not offended by what Durant said, but I'm offended that it's funny and ok for him to say it, but not for white people, because they are white. As if your skin color has anything to do with anything.

That is why the standard has to be the same. The past is the past. People need to move on. Soon nobody on this planet will have been around when slavery happened. Sooner or later, all the white people that had nothing to do with it need to be let off the hook. Because that's just racist to not do so.
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I like this post
 
Siro said:
It wasn't a "half-assed effort". It was a quick response to someone I have a debate history with. We already agree on where some things stand, like the prevalence of racism among right-wingers. There was no need to define that term, and several others, because of our debate history. Had I been debating someone else, I would have taken a different approach.

As for getting excited, believe me, I'm not. If it's anything like "half of addictions are in people's heads, and they should man up and get over it" argument, and from what I remember of you this is the best I can hope for, it is not exactly the level of insight anyone would get excited over.
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Sorry, I didn't know we had a history, I feel like a real jazzfanzer now. I thought I was just a person who randomly posted in relatively anonymous fashion who never had anyone tie any of my posts together. Thanks! And not a sarcastic thanks.

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Siro said:
The problem is, by embracing the left's intelligentsia's perspective wholesale, you've also embraced their brand of racism. Their perspective is little different than that of their counterpart on the right. Only the target is different. So instead of rejecting racism, you instead became racist, then redefined yourself out of it. In your head, it is not racism because it is justified. That is exactly how the right thinks. They hate Islam because it is inherently violent. They are not against any race, only against certain cultures because of their actions.

Similarly, you've made your own justifications. Racism is not about prejudice, it is about prejudice with the power to do something about it. But what is power? You're using it as a synonym for "being white". Durant cannot have power, despite being a multimillionaire celebrity. Why? Certainly not because he has no power in the relevant context . It is because you've defined power as "being white". No black person can have power, despite their actual objective level of power, because they are not white, and thus not subject to your brand of prejudice. In fact, even the current most powerful person in the US, and probably the world, is powerless in your definition, because he's black.

Power is complicated. I lived in the ghettos of Richmond, Virginia, in an area that tops 50 annual murder per 100000. Those people had no power in larger society. Police is reluctant to respond to calls in the area, businesses won't open shop there, and the residents are stuck in a cycle that makes it near impossible to ever improve their situation. The residents are also very racist against non-blacks (which is due to their situation. Everything has a reason, obviously). A Hispanic woman walking through that neighborhood at night would be in real danger, and she would have no power. The leftist abstracting of the problem serves to distance yourself from the fact that all issues are individual that affect individuals. It does this while pretending to be all about lifting the individual. A white person suffering due to race is as important as a black person suffering the same thing. This isn't a game of numbers, and power is a fickle thing when the individual is so fragile.

And that is my issue with the leftist perspective; by proudly embracing racism (as long as it is not by whites, because apparently white people deserve it), they ensure its survival. It is not about excusing racism in a disadvantaged individual. It is about labeling entire segments of society as "advantaged" and "disadvantaged" regardless of the circumstances of the individual. But things change. And when those things change, and blacks/whoever are no longer on average disadvantaged, and someone else is, we know one thing for sure, racism will have survived. And why wouldn't it? Both sides embrace it and encourage it, only choosing different targets. And it is sad, because as you well know, race itself is basically a meaningless designation.

One more thought that I want to get through; white people are not special. Everything they'd done has been done by everyone else. You call what Europeans did colonialism? Hah! Arabs invaded half of the known world, completely erased the cultures and history of the invaded, and slapped the word "Arab" on them. There are half a billion Arabs now, out which not even a tenth are actual ethnic Arabs. And I have yet to see anyone on the left cry about Arab colonizing horribleness and justify racism against them. Sure what Europeans did happened at a more recent time with better technology that furthered their reach, but it was neither unique nor exceptional.

There is much MUCH more to talk about regarding this issue. The foolishness of transmitting guilt through genetic lines. The disaster of insisting mainstream American culture is "white culture". The left's evolution into an anti-success ideology that has become hostile to anything successful from Western culture, to civilization in general, to capitalism, to even being human. And a lot more. But I do need to go back to work.
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I must spread some around. Siro absolutely nailed this.
 
I like Scalia's definition of racism. This is paraphrasing... 'If you can substitute any skin color in the comment and it sounds bad, then it is racist'. By that standard, Hayward is a pretty good athlete for a yellow asian... for a red skinned guy...

So, yeah, it wasn't the best comment.

But it wasn't nearly as terrible as the comments after the Clippers scandal last year. Larry Johnson said, 'I have been saying this for years... we need an ALL BLACK league'. There were far too many people who agreed. That too me is hypocrisy.

KD is a classy player and I won't hold this against him. Larry Johnson lost my respect that day.
 
Hack said:
1. If you are racist, you are just dumb. There is no possible way to make a decision on who to trust, like, believe in, etc.. based off skin color. I've been wronged by every color and have met good people of every color. To be racist means your severely lack good logical thinking, and it can only lead you to wrong answers, and trouble.
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Agreed, although I would substitute "dumb" with "wrong" since some people are just brought up in a racist environment and it is hard for them to overcome their upbringing, despite being intelligent otherwise.

My children are Hispanic and with all this fearmongering I fear that they will be exposed to racism at some point. Being raised in an upper-middle class environment, they see more "socioeconomic" bigotry than racial prejudice (an under-discussed and serious issue, in my opinion).

I suggest to my children that they feel sorry for bigots and try to understand that they were raised in a way that they are led to believe the inane notion that a person's skin color has any meaning other than lower chance of skin cancer. The ideas that it translates to intelligence and character are patently silly.
 
Siro said:
The problem is, by embracing the left's intelligentsia's perspective wholesale, you've also embraced their brand of racism. ........The disaster of insisting mainstream American culture is "white culture". The left's evolution into an anti-success ideology that has become hostile to anything successful from Western culture, to civilization in general, to capitalism, to even being human. And a lot more. But I do need to go back to work.
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Thoughtful analysis
 
ijazz said:
I was disappointed in KD.

I thought he respected Hayward more than this comment. I realize his tone was jovial but I was still
surprised...

He was asked about Ibaka's block on Hayward....

Went on to say "Hayward is pretty athletic...for a white guy". Where's the media uproar on this ?

https://nbatitlechase.com/blog/2015...ays-gordon-hayward-pretty-athletic-white-guy/
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While certainly not a universal statement, it's about close to one as possible. White people are not as athletic as black people. Not that shocking.
 
Archie Moses said:
While certainly not a universal statement, it's about close to one as possible. White people are not as athletic as black people. Not that shocking.
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It is only ok to make cultural generalization about white people. You cannot say Chinese crowd space, Mexicans drive slow, or black woman has larger on average ***. Why is this so hard to understand?
 
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