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Kirelenko in Trade talks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As I understand it, there are multiple draft choices involved, which have not been revealed. All that's been reported is the primary guys changing hands.
IMO, Hayward has greatly impressed the Jazz and they expect he and CJ to eat up the SF minutes. Hayward is said to lack the same lateral quickness CJ lacks for playing SG. That leaves a hole at b/u SG; Jeffers isn't a great option. Quinton Ross is a known comodity as a defender; been a starter too. He's a good fit for us behind Bell at SG. He is a bit light to be at SF, but can do that too.
At PF, Diaw isn't much of a defender, but has a pretty good offensive game. He can run with or w/o the ball, shoot with range, and is an excellent passer. He and Hayward on the b/u unit could be potent offensively. Add to that Earl Watson penetrating and passing, our b/u unit would put up some points. For defense, Watson and Ross are both good defenders. Either Elson or Fes at C would be guarding the paint. I know Elson can also pass the ball, and I think Fes isn't too shabby either.
 
you do realize it will be much easier to trade a 9mil expiring contract next year then a 17mil this year?
 
Qman said:
Boris Diaw has this year under contract and a player option for next year. Harris has this year and two more. Also there is the playing time issue. Either Deron or Harris would have to play a lot of 2.
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You can bet your house Boris will take that player option next year. 9 mil for an average player - are you kidding me? So, it is a 2 year deal, 9 mil per. Harris is a 3 year deal 9 mil per. But Harris is actually worth that money, which makes him a great asset, not to mention he is all star caliber player. Diaw is NOT worth the money and is an average player. Do you see the HUGE difference between these 2 assets? It is a GOOD thing when an excellent player like Harris is signed for longer at a price he is worth, or below.

As far as playing time, our best season in last decade has been when Deron played together with 6-1 Fisher. Harris is 6-3, and Deron/Harris would make a deadly combination against most line-ups. Or we could even have Devin come off the bench ala Ginobili or Terry. The point is, with talent like Harris, all of the sudden we are dramatically improved and have a great asset on our hands. Hell, we might even be contenders with a guy like that in a year or so. With Diaw we are actually a bit worse than before, and still have an overpaid guy on the roster (less overpaid than AK, but double the contract for more overall money). Why even bother with Charlotte and Diaw? Denver wants AK, Favors, and picks. NJ wants Melo and is willing to give up picks, favors, and Harris. Why in the world do we need Charlotte with their garbage of an asset in Diaw? Take Harris, and be done with it. Annual salaries are the same. There is no need to get Diaw involved here. We have a chance to greatly improve the team with Harris and still get under luxury tax instead of making it worse with Diaw.
 
Dread said:
you do realize it will be much easier to trade a 9mil expiring contract next year then a 17mil this year?
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What? Denver wants AK's expiring contract as the core part of this deal NOW - did you miss the entire point of the thread?
 
Borat has made a compelling argument. I mean, it was right there - I just needed someone to highlight it for me. What does Charlotte bring to the table? ...Boris Diaw. Who wants Boris Diaw? Charlotte doesn't. So why do we have to take him. Give us Devin instead. Keep him at 9m per for another couple years or trade him. Harris has A LOT higher trade value in the league than Boris Diaw.

This is so obvious and with all the parts of this trade I needed Borat to point it out. Thanks Borat.
 
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What does Charlotte bring to the table? ...Boris Diaw. Who wants Boris Diaw?
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You basically spelled it out right there. Diaw is not an asset. He is overpaid by about 4 mil a year, for 2 years. He is a liability. In other words, just to get rid of him, you should actually have to include some valuable asset, like a draft choice. Instead they end up with the all star, while getting rid of a liability. How does this happen when the team who is giving up the best player in the trade, a superstar, actually wants AK47 over Diaw? Granted AK is overpaid too, but he is expiring, and Denver wants expiring contract to have flexibility next year. Plus AK is a better player too. So, we know Denver wants AK over Diaw (Hollinger confirmed that by saying "What we learned today: Getting under the tax matters a lot more to Utah than it does to Denver. Nugs could keep Diaw instead of AK otherwise"). Nugs also want Favors and NJ picks. We also know NJ is willing to part with picks, Favors, and Harris.

In other words, we have the Denver preferred piece (AK) in Denver-NJ deal for Melo. Why not just deal that piece for what NJ is willing to give up: Harris. Why is Charlotte here at all? Let me spell it out for these who still did not get it: Harris is available for the same price (AK) as Diaw. And we will save same 13 million this year by getting either of them for AK. With that established, can someone answer Bentley's question: "who wants Boris Diaw?"
 
You all are trippin. Although I think Boris Diaw is the NBAs version of James Toney in where he comes into the league rail-thin and skinny, then forms into a fatass the guy can nail the midrange J, and is a year or 2 younger than AK. He plays steady defense also. If he can drop the lbs (Which I didnt see that in his international tenure), then we should be alright. AK can make or break a team.

And Quinton Ross is the ****. We need a guy like him to stay tip-top. I like the looks of this team now, we're making moves and adding new blood. The NBA wont know what hit them this year. SHOCK LAKE CITY! BOOM BITCHES!
 
Borat said:
What? Denver wants AK's expiring contract as the core part of this deal NOW - did you miss the entire point of the thread?
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I did not. People are talking of holding for better at trade deadline. We will not be able to dump his salary at trade deadline, we need to take what we can get for him. We dump his salary NOW, and Diaw's next year for someone reasonable piece we'll need at that point.
 
let's just go with this not being a move to make the team better but simply to save money (which we all know it is).
So what player do the Jazz take back in compensation?

This is not a matter of Ak vs. Diaw.

It's a matter of Diaw vs. Harris.
 
"But the Jazz already have Deron so we don't need Harris."

Do we need Diaw? Who is a more attractive trade piece - Harris or Diaw? Who's a better player?

Seriously - hold off on signing Earl Watson and just bring in Harris. Trade Harris when we need to later one to someone who wants a stud PG who's sharing minutes with our stud PG.
 
I give full credit to Borat for the idea of excluding Charlotte and Diaw entirely from this deal, and suggesting we just take Harris ourselves.

GO Kazakhstan!
 
Have Jazz officially signed Watson? If not it would be horrible tactic to stab Watson in back to get Harris. Also Bobcats must be giving up something good out of deal to get Harris. More to deal than being reported.
 
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Ok, I'm about to make a post which I'm sure a few people are going to flame me for, but I'm going to ask it anyway. In looking at EVERYTHING each player has to offer, can somebody sell me on why AK is CLEARLY a better all-around option than Boris? Here's my case for Boris:

-AK is no longer the player that people fell in love with (myself included) in 2005. In the last 4 years, Diaw averages slightly more PPG, slightly more RPG, 1.2 more APG, a higher FG% and a 3 point % that is 6 full points higher than AK's. As far as Utah losing alot on the defensive end, AK is a good off ball defender who can still block shots when he wants to but gives us little to nothing defensively when he is asked to guard big 7 footers in the paint such as when we face the Lakers every year in the playoffs. Not only that, AK's blocks have declined so badly over the last 4 years that it is almost shocking. Diaw allows us to have a player that we can actually play at Center (we really can't do that with AK) as well as PF and maybe even some SF depending on the match-ups.

Now, I know somebody will come in and make a compelling case for AK, and I'm not saying they're wrong, but I think the fact of the matter is that even if AK comes out ahead in this comparison, is he worth the extra 17-to-18 million dollars the Jazz would have to pay in extra salary and luxury tax fines?

I think the answer to that is a resounding: NO! After initially not having a major opinion either way on this trade, after thinking about it for a night, I find myself strongly in favor of making this move. It may hurt the Jazz in some areas on the court, but actually help them in others and if Hayward pans out early you could actually make the argument that it makes Utah better across the board. All the while the team dramatically improves from a business standpoint in saving nearly $20 million and solidifying the fact that they can continue to win on the court while being financially solvent in Salt Lake City.
 
It's not an issue of AK vs. DIAW

If AK is definitely going to be traded - it's a matter of DIAW vs. HARRIS.
 
jazzman12 said:
Ok, I'm about to make a post which I'm sure a few people are going to flame me for, but I'm going to ask it anyway. In looking at EVERYTHING each player has to offer, can somebody sell me on why AK is CLEARLY a better all-around option than Boris?
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Also, if you're into +/- (adjusted or raw), AK blows Diaw out of the water.
 
The Fresh Prince said:
You all are trippin. Although I think Boris Diaw is the NBAs version of James Toney in where he comes into the league rail-thin and skinny, then forms into a fatass the guy can nail the midrange J, and is a year or 2 younger than AK. He plays steady defense also. If he can drop the lbs (Which I didnt see that in his international tenure), then we should be alright. AK can make or break a team.

And Quinton Ross is the ****. We need a guy like him to stay tip-top. I like the looks of this team now, we're making moves and adding new blood. The NBA wont know what hit them this year. SHOCK LAKE CITY! BOOM BITCHES!
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