Memo traded to NJ

[Stifle Tower]

Wait you would give up Al, CJ ,GS pick and Hayward while also taking on a bad contract for a 1 year rental of Howard? I don't think that would be a smart thing for this team to do. If Howard agrees to an extension I'm all for it. But not for a rental.

Agree. You've gutted the wing positions and traded away the one hope we have for improving those spots (draft picks). I don't care HOW good a Favors/Howard combo is (with Millsap and Kanter behind them). You still have Harris and Bell at the guard spots and an old J. Howard at SF with a near worthless Hedo behinf him. Even Miami ciouldn't win with DWade and Lebron (and Bosh). You just can't have major liabilities at other key spots. It's too easy for teams to pack the inside and dare Bell, Burks and Harris to beat them from the outside.

And defintely, you'd need a guarantee from Superman that he'd sign an extension. But why argue the point. Dwight gave Orlando a list of three teams; Utah wasn;t one of them. I'd have to think the Jazz are somewhere on his list between the Seattle Sonics and Buffalo Braves.

 

[margodydek]

Wait you would give up Al, CJ ,GS pick and Hayward while also taking on a bad contract for a 1 year rental of Howard? I don't think that would be a smart thing for this team to do. If Howard agrees to an extension I'm all for it. But not for a rental.

In a heartbeat. I'm not a fan of Al (for all we know we'd end up amnestying him after this year), CJ blows, for all we know the GS pick could end up being a 2nd round pick 3 years from now. Hayward is the only piece that would be tough to give up - as he could possibly have a bright future with the Jazz, but would I trade him for a year of Dwight? Yes.

None of those pieces are going to take us to the promised land, and I don't think Dwight could do it in one year either, but it would be hella fun to watch.

 

[margodydek]

Agree. You've gutted the wing positions and traded away the one hope we have for improving those spots (draft picks). I don't care HOW good a Favors/Howard combo is (with Millsap and Kanter behind them). You still have Harris and Bell at the guard spots and an old J. Howard at SF with a near worthless Hedo behinf him. Even Miami ciouldn't win with DWade and Lebron (and Bosh). You just can't have major liabilities at other key spots. It's too easy for teams to pack the inside and dare Bell, Burks and Harris to beat them from the outside.

And defintely, you'd need a guarantee from Superman that he'd sign an extension. But why argue the point. Dwight gave Orlando a list of three teams; Utah wasn;t one of them. I'd have to think the Jazz are somewhere on his list between the Seattle Sonics and Buffalo Braves.

You realize that Harris, Bell + Burks would still have to beat people from the outside with our current lineup, right?

Once again, it ain't going to happen

 

[MVP]

Look, I think the chances of the Jazz trading from Dwight Howard went from 1% (pre Memo trade), to 2%. Obviously I do not think they are going to do it. I was merely pointing to the fact that Hedo's salary this year matches up perfectly with the Trade Exception we just got. $10.8/$10.6. I do not want Hedo on my team. Nobody wants Hedo on their team (including Orlando), that is why whoever wants Dwight will have to take back Hedo and his awful contract.

The Jazz won't do it (although I do think they now have the pieces to pull it off), but if someone said you could have Dwight for 1 yr (possibly 2) but you have to take Hedo's awful contract (which lasts 3 more years) and give up Al + CJ + GS Pick + Gordo or Burks, I'd do it.

And for the last time, this is occurring in an alternate universe - not ours.

Ok, now it makes sense. Thanks for taking time to explain it.

 

[TheSilencer1313]

Wait you would give up Al, CJ ,GS pick and Hayward while also taking on a bad contract for a 1 year rental of Howard? I don't think that would be a smart thing for this team to do. If Howard agrees to an extension I'm all for it. But not for a rental.

Agreed here. Why would you want a year rental of any player on the Jazz?
Oh yeah, so that say they win a title with him and then he bolts.
Good excuse to say the only reason the Jazz had a title was Howard.
For one thing, the Jazz don't need another egotistical star boy.
Hasn't anyone learned anything from the D-Will fiasco?

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[InGameStrategy]

Wait you would give up Al, CJ ,GS pick and Hayward while also taking on a bad contract for a 1 year rental of Howard? I don't think that would be a smart thing for this team to do. If Howard agrees to an extension I'm all for it. But not for a rental.

In a heartbeat. I'm not a fan of Al (for all we know we'd end up amnestying him after this year), CJ blows, for all we know the GS pick could end up being a 2nd round pick 3 years from now. Hayward is the only piece that would be tough to give up - as he could possibly have a bright future with the Jazz, but would I trade him for a year of Dwight? Yes.

None of those pieces are going to take us to the promised land, and I don't think Dwight could do it in one year either, but it would be hella fun to watch.

Giving up Hayward and a possibly good pick is not worth a brief cameo of D. Howard in Salt Lake City. Besides, Utah now already has a Howard, and Superman belongs in (a) Metropolis :|.

 

[gregbroncs]

In a heartbeat. I'm not a fan of Al (for all we know we'd end up amnestying him after this year), CJ blows, for all we know the GS pick could end up being a 2nd round pick 3 years from now. Hayward is the only piece that would be tough to give up - as he could possibly have a bright future with the Jazz, but would I trade him for a year of Dwight? Yes.

None of those pieces are going to take us to the promised land, and I don't think Dwight could do it in one year either, but it would be hella fun to watch.

So you admit it's not enough for a title and that he won't be back. Meanwhile you screw all our chances to improve and trade away a lot of our future for 1 non-championship run. WTF? Why would we do that? Seriously. What would be the point?

 

[freakazoid]

In a heartbeat. I'm not a fan of Al (for all we know we'd end up amnestying him after this year), CJ blows, for all we know the GS pick could end up being a 2nd round pick 3 years from now. Hayward is the only piece that would be tough to give up - as he could possibly have a bright future with the Jazz, but would I trade him for a year of Dwight? Yes.

Those are all assets we can use in building the team going forward. What you're talking about is throwing away assets just so we can see Dwight in a Jazz jersey for about half a season. That is the definition of short-sightedness.

 

[margodydek]

So you admit it's not enough for a title and that he won't be back. Meanwhile you screw all our chances to improve and trade away a lot of our future for 1 non-championship run. WTF? Why would we do that? Seriously. What would be the point?

Lets go over these pieces again, and you name me one that's going to propel us to a championship or even a conference finals: Al - nope, CJ - hell nope, GS Pick (at best #8 this year) - nope, and Hayward - nope.

Personally I don't even want Al or CJ on the team. I'd move them for cap space to be honest. So the next question would be, would I trade the GS pick + Hayward for Howard and Hedo. A million times yes. Even if DH12 is only here for a year. We'd still have our core young guys (minus Hayward - who at best will turn into Manu, but more realistically will be Mike Dunleavy Jr. with a little defense) of Favors, Kanter, Burks.

So unless you're extremely high on Hayward or you think the #8-#12 pick this year or next will get us over the hump, I don't see why you wouldn't do this trade.

 

[mountain]

Dumb!

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Lets go over these pieces again, and you name me one that's going to propel us to a championship or even a conference finals: Al - nope, CJ - hell nope, GS Pick (at best #8 this year) - nope, and Hayward - nope.

Personally I don't even want Al or CJ on the team. I'd move them for cap space to be honest. So the next question would be, would I trade the GS pick + Hayward for Howard and Hedo. A million times yes. Even if DH12 is only here for a year. We'd still have our core young guys (minus Hayward - who at best will turn into Manu, but more realistically will be Mike Dunleavy Jr. with a little defense) of Favors, Kanter, Burks.

So unless you're extremely high on Hayward or you think the #8-#12 pick this year or next will get us over the hump, I don't see why you wouldn't do this trade.

I think you'd have to be extremely high to give up a single asset for a short term rental like the one you describe. What is it about having Howard here for half a non-championship year that you feel would be so orgasmic?

 

[akirac73]

With Memo gone now...is there anyone on the team capable of hitting a three pointer on a consistent basis (i.e. 30%+)?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

With Memo gone now...is there anyone on the team capable of hitting a three pointer on a consistent basis (i.e. 30%+)?

Miles, Harris, Hayward, Millsap, Watson, and Bell all shoot above 30%. Now is there anyone who can shoot above 40%? Probably only Hayward.

 

[sepanol]

i cant say it was a bad move, but still sad to see Memo leave for so cheap. That pick will be something between 40-45 probably and it will have no value. I hope this trade exception will be a big asset in an upcoming big trade including Harris and Jefferson. Otherwise getting rid of 10 million dollar burden only for this year doesn't make sense at all.

 

[gregbroncs]

Lets go over these pieces again, and you name me one that's going to propel us to a championship or even a conference finals: Al - nope, CJ - hell nope, GS Pick (at best #8 this year) - nope, and Hayward - nope.

Personally I don't even want Al or CJ on the team. I'd move them for cap space to be honest. So the next question would be, would I trade the GS pick + Hayward for Howard and Hedo. A million times yes. Even if DH12 is only here for a year. We'd still have our core young guys (minus Hayward - who at best will turn into Manu, but more realistically will be Mike Dunleavy Jr. with a little defense) of Favors, Kanter, Burks.

So unless you're extremely high on Hayward or you think the #8-#12 pick this year or next will get us over the hump, I don't see why you wouldn't do this trade.

We are also taking on one of the worst contracts in the NBA and he does not go away after 1/2 a year. On top of that which is almost a no go as it is. You are giving away our 2 best wings, arguably our best PF/C(though I would go with Favors) and a potential lottery pick.

That is not only too much but WAY too much for a 1 year non-championship run. You are basically trading our future to see 1 year of Howard. If Howard agreed to a 4 year extension then hell yes. Otherwise this is not even close to being a good deal for Utah.

 

[freakazoid]

Otherwise getting rid of 10 million dollar burden only for this year doesn't make sense at all.

You wanted to dump Al to get more minutes for Kanter, but dumping Memo makes no sense?

 

[Zulu]

I would be intrigued to do the Said trade for D. Howard, mainly because he has said he just wants to win. If we could go far in the playoffs with him he just might consider staying with us knowing the rest of the team is young and will only get better.

 

[TheSilencer1313]

Miles, Harris, Hayward, Millsap, Watson, and Bell all shoot above 30%. Now is there anyone who can shoot above 40%? Probably only Hayward.

I think Millsap is capable of shooting about 40 percent, and I also think J. Howard can shoot above that percentage as well. Barring this offense can actually get anyone open for a clear shot.
They haven't been able to get Memo open consistantly since '07 probably.

 

[gomretat]

i cant say it was a bad move, but still sad to see Memo leave for so cheap. That pick will be something between 40-45 probably and it will have no value. I hope this trade exception will be a big asset in an upcoming big trade including Harris and Jefferson. Otherwise getting rid of 10 million dollar burden only for this year doesn't make sense at all.

So having a shot at another Sap or Jeremy is bad? And the trade exception gives us all kinds of options both in terms of players, taking on an expiring for a first round pick, etc. This was not cheap as you call it.

 

[billyshelby]

I think Millsap is capable of shooting about 40 percent, and I also think J. Howard can shoot above that percentage as well. Barring this offense can actually get anyone open for a clear shot.
They haven't been able to get Memo open consistantly since '07 probably.

Howard has a career .336 3 point percentage. Shot over 40 once. He's not shooting over 40. Maybe Sap can, but he only took 27 3's last season. I don't see him transforming into a long range gunner.

The reality is CJ should be a much better distance shooter than he is. He's the X factor. But my personal take is if we become a better driving team (which suits the guys we have) we'll get a lot more clean shots from the arc which will raise everyone's averages.