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NBA.com Dunk of Night with ex-Jazz Enes Kanter

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GVC said:
That doesn't apply to Kanter. As has now been stated multiple times in this thread, when correcting for quality of teammates and opponents, Kanter scores incredibly poorly in +/-. His teams are worse with him on the court.
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Were do you get this? Kanter has a really good net +/- this year that KD failed to address properly.
 
Diamond77 said:
Kanter is on fire, 23 points and 8 rebounds in just 21 minutes against the Bucks last night.
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Why are his minutes so low? Seems like he should be getting more playing time.
Is he getting in foul trouble or something?
 
fishonjazz said:
Why are his minutes so low? Seems like he should be getting more playing time.
Is he getting in foul trouble or something?
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I don't know I watched few games.

It seems he is fine with that role at the moment.

He is playing with confidence, probably because his teammates trust him.
 
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aether34: Why do you ignore what he can do best

Did you miss this part? "Kanter is a top tier post scorer and offensive rebounder."
 
tleikheen said:
(Kanter) is 4th in the NBA in finding the acorn (.576 %)
Also Kanter is #79 in (+/-) Gobert #80 and Favors #318
Kanter's PER is #6 behind #1Curry,#2Westbrook,#3Durant,#4Leonard,#5James
Kanter's TS% is #3 behind #1 Curry ,#2 Durant

talk these stats down as loser stats ,meaningless stats.
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Dude, please pay attention to the conversation. No one buy you is debating his scoring ability. You are violently disagreeing with nobody.
 
tleikheen said:
.That points given up is pointless if your team is the top offense in the NBA when your playing and your outscoring the other teams with point differential comparable to the other top two teams in the League.
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Name me an NBA championship team with a the top offense and a poor defense. I won't be holding my breath.
 
ONE LOVE said:
It's never cease to amaze me how many Jazz players who we have let walked and are doing really well right now...

Paul Millsap
Wesley Matthews
Kyle Korver
DeMarre Carroll
CJ Miles
Kosta Kuofus


Not saying Kanter is on that list but... never say never I guess.
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What is combined salary of these 2nd round buster of a team? We let each walk for a reason you know.

Gods i am tired of hearing posters like GVC and NUMBERICA claim we will have a title if we kept all that superb talents.
 
I have no illusions, if Kanter would or could've excepted the first big off the bench role getting 20min a night (like he is in OKC), I'm sure the Jazz would've loved keeping him but he wasn't. He was getting played and used more here in UT then he is currently in OKC and the Jazz weren't going to pay him what he is getting now.

The difference is he just was not happy here for whatever the reason he just didn't want to be here period. Now playing on a team with Durant and Westbrook and just growing up and getting older along with now this year getting what is it 16mil he's probably pretty happy good for him.

Can we move along now.
 
The only real difference between OKC Kanter and Utah Kanter is his mid range jump shot. He is now deadly from 10-16' at 51.4%. They also scrapped the idea of him shooting 3's, which has probably contributed favorably to his +/-.
 
Kanter was bad in +/- last year and now that he looks really good on that front people are refering to RPM instead.

ALso people seem to stop refering to nylon calculus for rim protection as Kanter has greatly improved in that area as well (although still not good).

At the end of the time at least two playoff caliber teams regarded Kanter as a max contract player and he has improved from there despite what the media and fans say.
 
The Blue Elephant said:
Kanter was bad in +/- last year and now that he looks really good on that front people are refering to RPM instead.

ALso people seem to stop refering to nylon calculus for rim protection as Kanter has greatly improved in that area as well (although still not good).
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Some straw man...

I've consistently referred to real/regularized +/-, as raw +/- is not nearly as useful. The same goes for the player tracking rim protection stats (I have no idea what nylon calculus is), where Kanter is currently 68th of 91 players who have defended 100+ shots near the rim (several of those below him are perimeter players). It's also worth mentioning that the quality of players shooting at the rim is almost certainly lower for those coming off the bench.

Try again, fanboy.
 
I'm Turkish. I'm sooooo happy that we've got rid of him eventhough we haven't got anything in return.
Overpaid one way liability...

Disrespectful, unprofessional... Should i keep going? Oh yea he can score....

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GVC said:
Some straw man...

I've consistently referred to real/regularized +/-, as raw +/- is not nearly as useful. The same goes for the player tracking rim protection stats (I have no idea what nylon calculus is), where Kanter is currently 68th of 91 players who have defended 100+ shots near the rim (several of those below him are perimeter players). It's also worth mentioning that the quality of players shooting at the rim is almost certainly lower for those coming off the bench.

Try again, fanboy.
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According to RPM Gobert is worse at defense than Nene Hilario, Jared Sullinger, and Festus Ezeli. In fact Gobert is ranked 25th in the NBA for centers. Just to remind you there are 30 teams in the NBA.

I never said it was you in particular that refered to raw +/- in the past.

Since you state you don't use nylon calculus and then went on to use it I will address it. Kanter went from the very bottom of nylon calculus to right around the bottom third. It still isn't great but he is improving on a weakness while his strengths are getting better as well. Nylon calculus actually normalizes for power fowards btw so having power forwards ranked above him doesn't mean they protect the rim better.
 
The Blue Elephant said:
According to RPM Gobert is worse at defense than Nene Hilario, Jared Sullinger, and Festus Ezeli. In fact Gobert is ranked 25th in the NBA for centers. Just to remind you there are 30 teams in the NBA.
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1. And? I didn't say anything about Gobert, who continues to rate much better than Kanter in both defensive RPM and total RPM.

2. It's probably worth mentioning that Gobert ranked 4th among centers last season, and has only played 14 games this season. There's enough noise over a 14 game sample that the stat isn't terribly meaningful. Kanter's scored terribly in RPM going on three seasons now.

The Blue Elephant said:
Since you state you don't use nylon calculus and then went on to use it I will address it. Kanter went from the very bottom of nylon calculus to right around the bottom third. It still isn't great but he is improving on a weakness while his strengths are getting better as well. Nylon calculus actually normalizes for power fowards btw so having power forwards ranked above him doesn't mean they protect the rim better.
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1. The rim protection stats are taken directly from NBA.com.

2. What exactly does "normalizes for power forwards" mean with respect to rim protection stats? I have a feeling you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

3. You've failed to address the point I was making: Kanter consistently rates poorly in regularized/real adjusted plus-minus. By the best publicly available measure, Kanter has a significant negative effect on his teams' performance.
 
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