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Neto is pretty neato.

I wouldn't be worried about the national media because they will not care about the Jazz. You're argument might be valid for the local sports media... They have NOTHING to write about other than how players are developing.

This is ESPN writing about Burke sitting out 1 Summer League game:

ORLANDO, Fla. -- It's safe to say point guard Trey Burke had the most productive day of his fledgeling NBA career Wednesday at the Orlando Pro Summer League.

Burke's assists total was hardly impressive.

He had zero.

The Utah Jazz's lottery pick was also held scoreless.

Actually, the former University of Michigan star and consensus national player of the year last season didn't have an impact at all in Utah's 30-point win against Brooklyn.

Instead, Wednesday afforded Burke something far more valuable: perspective from a much different vantage point than he's been accustomed to as a promising pro prospect.

After struggling through his first two summer league games, Burke was held out Wednesday to rest and recover physically, regroup psychologically and reexamine -- from the sideline -- the intricate details involved in his transition to an NBA-level point guard.

"It's been a long time since I haven't played in a game," Burke said Wednesday. "At Michigan, I didn't miss any games. It wasn't, like, hard (to sit out) because I knew I wasn't being punished. I knew it wasn't a punishment. I knew they wanted me to learn from the bench. I was willing to sit down and learn from the coaches' seats."

After two seasons in college, which included leading Michigan to the NCAA championship game last season, Burke knows he's in line for plenty of lessons. The tutelage will continue throughout this week when he returns to the lineup for Utah's remaining games in the league filled with rookies, young prospects and free-agent roster hopefuls.

That learning process will extend to the coming weeks as Burke, the most decorated rookie in the 10-team Orlando field, moves to Utah to follow a line of productive Jazz point guards -- from Hall of Famer John Stockton to Mark Jackson, Mo Williams, Devin Harris and Deron Williams.

Jason Kidd is making his own transition from a 19-year player career as one of the best point guards in NBA history to his first foray as a head coach with the Nets in Orlando this week. But Kidd reached back Wednesday to recall the process he endured coming into the league in 1994 amid lofty expectations after two seasons in college.

Because Burke sat out Wednesday against the Nets, Kidd didn't have a chance coach against him. But that didn't stop him from delivering some valuable advice after the game.

"Watch a lot of tape and listen to the veteran guys, to the coaching staff," Kidd said of Burke. "Find someone who understands, who had some success and pick their brains, even if it's someone on an opposing team or someone you looked up to. The more you can get the information, the sooner, the better chances you have of being successful."

The expectations awaiting Burke in Salt Lake City could be overwhelming all on their own. But even taking these initial steps into the league through Orlando this week have provided a few daunting challenges for Burke, selected ninth overall last month by Minnesota and traded to Utah.

Burke averaged 18.6 points and 6.7 assists last season at Michigan. He often used his speed and quickness to beat defenders in the open court, along with craftiness around the basket to score in the lane against bigger defenders.

That same level of effectiveness hasn't quite kicked in yet in Orlando, where Burke is averaging 9.5 points, 4.5 rebounds and 3.5 assists but is shooting 22 percent from the field. He has as many total fouls as assists through two games and has had difficulty adjusting to the NBA pace.

Burke missed 11 of his 12 shots in Sunday's opener against Miami. He then had four turnovers and five fouls in Tuesday's loss to Houston. Burke was hounded most of that game by Patrick Beverley, a defensive stalwart who was a key member of the Rockets' backcourt rotation with James Harden and Jeremy Lin during the playoffs last season.

Jazz assistant coach Sidney Lowe said Wednesday he's talked with Burke about maintaining his confidence and understanding that his status as a high-profile lottery pick would likely bring out the best in opposing players.

"I told him, 'There's a target on you, you're a first-round draft pick, there's expectations there but there's also people that are going to come after you because of those reasons,'" Lowe said. "I told him the most important thing is to remain who he is, play hard and not get too caught up. It's a funny game. You're going to have highs and lows, but sometimes your highs aren't as high as you think they are and your lows aren't as low as you think. You have to be able to be resilient, bounce back, go to the next game."

Sitting out Wednesday allowed that message to resonate.

"Absolutely," Burke said. "Every time I step on the court, there's a target on my back. I think guys are always going to try to make a name against me just because I had a name coming out of college. But I haven't (accomplished) nothing on this level yet. So I'm just trying to continue to learn and make a name for myself on this level as well."

Dressed in his game uniform and seated between the coaching staff and the rest of his teammates Wednesday, Burke seemed antsy at times and later admitted it was difficult to be that close to the action and not participate.

But he was also engaged each time a coach leaned over to whisper instructions and point out lessons on the court.

Lowe said Burke needs to push the ball, speed up the tempo on the court and play much faster than he did at Michigan in order to have an impact in the NBA. Secondly, Lowe said it was beneficial for Burke to learn tendencies of players and break down some cerebral aspects of the game.

"I wouldn't say it's overwhelming, because I feel like I'm picking it up pretty good," Burke said. "I'm still trying to get adjusted, get comfortable with the whole offense, the whole defense, the terminology as well. It's different from college, now with the Jazz. I think the coaches are doing a good job of learning throughout mistakes and teaching."

Burke is far from alone among last month's lottery picks who are making a rough summer league transition.

Victor Oladipo, the No. 2 overall pick, has been frustrated at times while converting to point guard for the Magic after having never played the position at any level of his career. Philadelphia 76ers point guard Michael Carter-Williams, the 11th pick, had nine turnovers in his debut. He's shooting 25.4 percent, but has shown promise by averaging 15.3 points, 6.7 assists and 2.3 steals through three games.

Summer struggles, specifically in Orlando, seem to be part of the rights of passage for highly-drafted guards entering the league in recent years. In 2008, Derrick Rose was sluggish and tentative in his summer league debut. He shot an air ball on his first attempt, went on to miss a total of nine field goals and free throws and had five turnovers.

A year later, Jrue Holiday missed eight of 11 shots and debuted with just nine points and two assists in Orlando. And in 2010, Paul George and James Harden ranked among the summer league's leaders in turnovers.

Rose, Holiday, George and Harden all have something in common in addition to their initial summer league doldrums: they ultimately developed into NBA All-Stars.

So there just might be a blueprint for Burke to follow.

Even some of the best in the game once had to emerge from a humbling, summer NBA initiation in Orlando.

"It was good for me to learn from a different perspective," Burke said. "I didn't complain. It's a process."

That process literally made Burke a student of the game.

"I think it was huge for him to sit back this game," Lowe said. "Even if (we) didn't feel he needed to rest, I still think it was the best thing for Trey to be able to watch it."

It takes great vision to be an effective NBA point guard.

Sometimes, it also requires an even better view.
 
That article isn't damning us or Burke, what's the problem?

My point is that the National Media takes an interest on how Burke progresses - WhiskeyPriest's point was the National Media Do Not care about the Jazz.

So if Neto starts and Burke comes off the bench - don't you think they'll take an interest?
 
My point is that the National Media takes an interest on how Burke progresses - WhiskeyPriest's point was the National Media Do Not care about the Jazz.

So if Neto starts and Burke comes off the bench - don't you think they'll take an interest?

For a minute, but if it was obvious why, then it would simmer down. You can't run a team based on fear for the national media.

I don't necessarily think Neto is the better player. I just thunk that if he is a part of our future, he should be a part of our present,.

Don't worry about Burke. This isn't daycare: it's the NBA.
 
For a minute, but if it was obvious why, then it would simmer down. You can't run a team based on fear for the national media.

I don't necessarily think Neto is the better player. I just thunk that if he is a part of our future, he should be a part of our present,.

Don't worry about Burke. This isn't daycare: it's the NBA.

Not arguing about that. All I'm saying is I don't think Burke deserves the added pressure that the following players weren't subjected to:

- Hayward didn't have that added pressure.
- Favors didn't have that added pressure.
- Kanter didn't have that added pressure.
- Burks didn't have that added pressure.
- Evans didn't have that added pressure.
- Gobert won't have that added pressure.
- Neto won't have that added pressure.

So why should Burke be put under that sort of pressure?
 
I think if it's Neto outplaying Burke and landing on a high ROTY spot throughout the season it's more like: Wow great Steal Jazz. Biggest Steal ever. How could the other 29 teams NOT see what kinda baller that kid is? They suck so hard. Cinderella story
 
My point is that the National Media takes an interest on how Burke progresses - WhiskeyPriest's point was the National Media Do Not care about the Jazz.

So if Neto starts and Burke comes off the bench - don't you think they'll take an interest?

Who cares? The Jazz need to get back to running their franchise the way the Spurs run their franchise, nothing coming from the outside is imporant, all that matters is the team and the philosphy.
 
Who cares? The Jazz need to get back to running their franchise the way the Spurs run their franchise, nothing coming from the outside is imporant, all that matters is the team and the philosphy.

Agreed, and to me the philosophy should be letting Burke develop in the natural process (Corbin said this in the Press Conference "You can't speed up the process more than the process speeds itself up").
 
I think if it's Neto outplaying Burke and landing on a high ROTY spot throughout the season it's more like: Wow great Steal Jazz. Biggest Steal ever. How could the other 29 teams NOT see what kinda baller that kid is? They suck so hard. Cinderella story

And how would that story make Burke feel?
 
Agreed, and to me the philosophy should be letting Burke develop in the natural process (Corbin said this in the Press Conference "You can't speed up the process more than the process speeds itself up").

Letting Burke's develop, doesn't mean we should eliminate his competition for the spot. There's tons of people on the roster next season trying to establish themselves, so I have no problem with Nedo doing the same. If Burke can't handle it, then that's on him, and not the organization.

Burke's claimed that he sees himself in the Chris Paul mold, that he's not intimidated by anyone he's gonna play in the leauge and so on, so all that's left is for him to prove it. If he doesn't let the competion pick up the spot.
 
And how would that story make Burke feel?

It's two different things to get ripped by national media on a sensational/non analytic level or getting outplayed. If he's a high character guy as everybody describes him it would mean he spends more time in the gym and plays with a chip on his shoulder to get his spot back. Internal competition.
 
Letting Burke's develop, doesn't mean we should eliminate his competition for the spot. There's tons of people on the roster next season trying to establish themselves, so I have no problem with Nedo doing the same. If Burke can't handle it, then that's on him, and not the organization.

Burke's claimed that he sees himself in the Chris Paul mold, that he's not intimidated by anyone he's gonna play in the leauge and so on, so all that's left is for him to prove it. If he doesn't let the competion pick up the spot.

Except that he's our "asset" and we're responsible for making sure that we develop him the best way possible and not to devalue our own asset.

I'm simply saying everyone develops differently and at different pace. Burke didn't play that well in the 1st year at Michigan, but John Beilein stuck with him and he blossomed into a great college player in his 2nd year.

All I'm saying is we need to be patient with him and do this carefully.
 
And how would that story make Burke feel?

That he needs to get improve his game.

There's two types of players in the leauge.

The guys who don't get everything they want, get frustrated and discouraged, and end up forgotten in history.

And the guys who take those experiences, and use it as motivation to find a spot in the league.

If Burke is the former rather than the latter, then he's not built for this league.
 
Except that he's our "asset" and we're responsible for making sure that we develop him the best way possible and not to devalue our own asset.

I'm simply saying everyone develops differently and at different pace. Burke didn't play that well in the 1st year at Michigan, but John Beilein stuck with him and he blossomed into a great college player in his 2nd year.

All I'm saying is we need to be patient with him and do this carefully.

Every young guy on the team is an asset, that doesn't mean he should be treated differently than any other player on the team. It's the coach's job to develop all the players, even if it means that a low draft pick, might take a spot from a lottery pick.

I'm gonna copy a quote from 2k, that was used to reference the sacremento kings situation with Freddete and Isiah Thomas; "When you're rebuilding you don't care weather you find your point guard of the future in the 1st round or the second round, all you care about is that you have that guy to be your pointguard".
 
Wow.. we're a real tough bunch here.

There are a lot better coaches in the NBA but the Jazz stuck with Corbin and are willing to spend time, money and energy to watch him develop. They could have gotten in other coaches and have them "compete" for the job, but they didn't.

I believe the Jazz will give Burke time & opportunity to develop - it's just my take on how the Jazz operates.
 
Every young guy on the team is an asset, that doesn't mean he should be treated differently than any other player on the team. It's the coach's job to develop all the players, even if it means that a low draft pick, might take a spot from a lottery pick.

I'm gonna copy a quote from 2k, that was used to reference the sacremento kings situation with Freddete and Isiah Thomas; "When you're rebuilding you don't care weather you find your point guard of the future in the 1st round or the second round, all you care about is that you have that guy to be your pointguard".

Well that's just 2k's take on it - doesn't necessarily mean the Jazz will follow the same philosophy.
 
I'm just waiting for McCollum to blow up in Vegas and to see the sweet, sweet tears that will happen on this forum. It's going to be hilarious.

Yeah. I think it's a blast when my team misses out on draft prospects as well.
Yeah and it's not like anybody is hating on McCollum and most would've been happy if the Jazz chose him instead of Burke as fans were just desperate for the Jazz to get one of those two in this draft. Then the excitement of the trade just sent the excitement to an even higher level then add to that his interviews and the other draft day trades, as whole this whole site was just giddy.
 
Wow.. we're a real tough bunch here.

There are a lot better coaches in the NBA but the Jazz stuck with Corbin and are willing to spend time, money and energy to watch him develop. They could have gotten in other coaches and have them "compete" for the job, but they didn't.

I believe the Jazz will give Burke time & opportunity to develop - it's just my take on how the Jazz operates.

Well the Jazz organization in general has had a history of loyalty to their coaches in most cases, so I'm not suprised they're sticking with Corbin. But the Jazz have always shown that they're willing to let low draft picks earn their minutes, even if it means taking away minutes from more popular guys.

I've never belived in minutes being given because of the pick, or the hype. Minutes should be earned and not given. Anyone should be able to step up, if someone else isn't doing the job.




Well that's just 2k's take on it - doesn't necessarily mean the Jazz will follow the same philosophy.

It's not only 2k's take on it, because it's just talking about what actually happend when Isiah Thomas broke out, and took a lot of Jimmer's minutes, even though Jimmer was drafted much higher.
 
Since when has starting 2 rookies at the same position worked out? What are we now, the Timberwolves?

As much as I hate to say it, we drafted Burke to be the man and Neto to be trade bait or plan b. there's no way to tell whether Burke sucks or Neto is good in the summer league. This can only be decided in the NBA regular season.

He has a year or two to do it. To become the man. Otherwise, Neto should be brought over and Burke benched/traded.

Bringing Neto over right now I think will run the significant risk of destroying both players.
 
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