Obama Government Shutdown?

[green]

It's not about the right or the left, you illiterate dolt. It's about you Tea Baggers latching onto the republican party platform to perform your economic terrorism on the United States. Get the hell out of our party and go form your own for anarchists. The rest of us have a job to do on capitol hill.

LOL. Troll

 

[franklin]

Nothing like proving your point with insults and over exaggeration.

What makes you think I'm trying to debate republican terrorists to prove a point? You don't try to reason with stupid or teach a pig to sing.

But no matter how fanatical they get, you'll be their to defend the GOP no matter what.

 

[LogGrad98]

It's not about the right or the left, you illiterate dolt. It's about you Tea Baggers latching onto the republican party platform to perform your economic terrorism on the United States. Get the hell out of our party and go form your own for anarchists. The rest of us have a job to do on capitol hill.

Look don't lump the tea party in with my group, the tea baggers, and don't confuse them with nates group either, the dime baggers.

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[Stoked]

What makes you think I'm trying to debate republican terrorists to prove a point? You don't try to reason with stupid or teach a pig to sing.

But no matter how fanatical they get, you'll be their to defend the GOP no matter what.

Fail.

 

[Harambe]

LOL. Troll

Call him troll all you'd like but the sad part here is he's right.

There are a lot of moderate republicans out there who understand that the shut down is a big deal, but are falling in line because "that's what they're supposed to do".

https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-government-shutdown-20131002,0,7797757.story

I mean, at least they're swinging wildly to get the issue over with as quickly as possible.

Boehner feels like he has no choice in the matter. He feels like at this point, with as entrenched as he is in this battle, if he walks out with nothing it will cripple him politically.

 

[Nate505]

Look don't lump the tea party in with my group, the tea baggers, and don't confuse them with nates group either, the dime baggers.

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They'll have to take my bag out of my cold dead hands.

 

[Stoked]

Call him troll all you'd like but the sad part here is he's right.

There are a lot of moderate republicans out there who understand that the shut down is a big deal, but are falling in line because "that's what they're supposed to do".

https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-government-shutdown-20131002,0,7797757.story

I mean, at least they're swinging wildly to get the issue over with as quickly as possible.

Boehner feels like he has no choice in the matter. He feels like at this point, with as entrenched as he is in this battle, if he walks out with nothing it will cripple him politically.

That is true of both parties on any given issue. It is stupid. If there is any falling in line to be done it is with each member falling in line with what their district wants.

King from NY is one that comes to mind who is against the shutdown.

 

[franklin]

^We're talking about the current government shutdown. Please keep it on topic and stop derailing the thread into a partisan war with serial GOP defense.

 

[Stoked]

That is true of both parties on any given issue. It is stupid. If there is any falling in line to be done it is with each member falling in line with what their district wants.

King from NY is one that comes to mind who is against the shutdown.

^We're talking about the current government shutdown. Please keep it on topic and stop derailing the thread into a partisan war with serial GOP defense.

I didn't know this was your bridge. I thought it was Thrillers.

 

[LogGrad98]

^We're talking about the current government shutdown. Please keep it on topic and stop derailing the thread into a partisan war with serial GOP defense.

So what would have happened, just for the sake of argument, playing devil's advocate here, if the dems had passed one of the budget proposals that defunded the ACA? The government would be running now, right?

 

[Stoked]

So what would have happened, just for the sake of argument, playing devil's advocate here, if the dems had passed one of the budget proposals that defunded the ACA? The government would be running now, right?

DC would probably find a way to mess that up too.

 

[Stoked]

Also if any of you think this is bad just wait till the 10/17/13 deadline over the debt ceiling.

Edit:https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...utdown-boehner-mcconnell-reid-pelosi/2908083/

Nice to see the President making these 4 knuckleheads sit down and talk.

 

[franklin]

So what would have happened, just for the sake of argument, playing devil's advocate here, if the dems had passed one of the budget proposals that defunded the ACA? The government would be running now, right?

That's like asking what would happen had the kindergarten teacher compromised with the child throwing a violent temper tantrum on the floor.

 

[Stoked]

That's like asking what would happen had the kindergarten teacher compromised with the child throwing a violent temper tantrum on the floor.

Your partisan crusade of defending of all things Dem at all costs is undermining the friendly nature of this thread.

 

[LogGrad98]

DC would probably find a way to mess that up too.

Yeah but no one is willing to discuss that as a viable scenario, when it was all along a valid option.

I agree that shouldn't have had to happen to keep things moving, but it is still an option that the dems could have taken to keep the government running.

And the ACA is not very popular among the general populace right now. Even in the article about it someone posted with an interview with Bill Clinton, he admitted that it isn't what the people wants, but he takes a Nolan stance and just says "but it's what they need, they just don't know it right now, it will be great down the road". Didn't know he was a prophet, but then again this fight is taking on religious undertones wherein logic has no sway.

Notice all of the arguments on JF for it have centered around Obama or others being re-elected on a platform that includes healthcare reform, but no one has stated that the american people voted outright for obamacare. It is always a begs the question scenario, and a real stretch at that. Obamacare in its current form didn't even exist during any of those elections, so how can anyone with the ability to reason claim that the american people defacto voted for EXACTLY this version when they voted in Obama. Maybe that is true for that one individual making the claim, but that hardly makes it true for everyone.

And no one has chosen to address the point that this all changed when the provision was added to force everyone to participate, and that this is the sticking point of the GOP originally. Yes the tea party has taken it to "terrorist" levels to quote franklin, and I agree with that assessment largely, but that doesn't absolve everyone else of the responsibility to keep things moving and doing what is best for the american people.

That said, maybe what is best for the american people right now is EXACTLY what is happening. Maybe this will force people in both parties to reconsider such hardline stances and will change the way people vote. Maybe we can get the tea party jerks out of office as the american people see their true colors, and maybe it will be a catalyzing agent to get the electorate to pay more attention to what is going on rather than just voting on sound bites.

 

[LogGrad98]

That's like asking what would happen had the kindergarten teacher compromised with the child throwing a violent temper tantrum on the floor.

So you are incapable of the intellectual exercise of entertaining different opinions than your own, and exploring outcomes you find absurd just because you can't fathom a different point of view. Fair enough.

 

[Harambe]

That is true of both parties on any given issue. It is stupid. If there is any falling in line to be done it is with each member falling in line with what their district wants.

King from NY is one that comes to mind who is against the shutdown.

It's very stupid, and when the cost is a government shutdown you should stop it. But the republicans won't, and this time neither will the Dem's. So the question ends up, is it for the good of the party, or something else...

In the article it identifies King(R, NY) and Dent(R, Penn). Privately, they thought they had two dozen red votes locked up to bring to 'publican leadership, but when the vote came they were the only two to speak up. This wasn't a house vote, just a procedural vote. Didn't matter to anyone outside that red group, and 22 of their colleagues that they thought were committed didn't vote or say a word against it.

Now that doesn't necessarily say anything, but doesn't it kind of shine the "bully" light on Red leadership/tea baggers? I can't bring myself to use the T word.

Can you see how someone might think poorly of such actions?

 

[Stoked]

It's very stupid, and when the cost is a government shutdown you should stop it. But the republicans won't, and this time neither will the Dem's. So the question ends up, is it for the good of the party, or something else...

In the article it identifies King(R, NY) and Dent(R, Penn). Privately, they thought they had two dozen red votes locked up to bring to 'publican leadership, but when the vote came they were the only two to speak up. This wasn't a house vote, just a procedural vote. Didn't matter to anyone outside that red group, and 22 of their colleagues that they thought were committed didn't vote or say a word against it.

Now that doesn't necessarily say anything, but doesn't it kind of shine the "bully" light on Red leadership/tea baggers? I can't bring myself to use the T word.

Can you see how someone might think poorly of such actions?

I think poorly of such actions so of course I can. As we have both stated it is stupid. To much toeing the party line and not enough independent thought and back bone.

 

[Revolution 9]

Well, I thought my job was safe. Apparently if this thing continues for 2 weeks it will affect us.
That's reassuring. Less hours, no hours, completely shut down? That's all I heard today. "After two weeks we'll be affected"
Oh great! lol

2 weeks is a long ways away, but damn this just hit home.

 

[YB85]